reply to post by IkNOwSTuff
You are correct, I believe ALL guns should be banned and illegal. As youve pointed out criminals dont follow laws so Law enforcement should carry
But law enforcement is never in place in time to prevent violent acts from taking place. As you have no doubt seen, there were plenty of police
present at this most recent event, AFTER the gunman had already entered the school, killed everyone, HIMSELF included. Where were the police when all
of this was happening? My point is clearly illustrated here. If the teachers had had a firearm, maybe they could have stopped this lunatic before he
killed those 20 kids. Not allowing guns in the hands of teachers, in this case, cost 20 students their lives. It's that simple. You can argue that the
absence of guns is a good thing, but the truth of the matter is, that in this case, the absence of guns was a terrible thing.
If you want there to be a law that prohibits all guns in all citizens hands, then you'll need to have every home and every institution outfitted with
a law enforcement officer to amply protect the people. Based on this logical line of thinking, I assume that you're a proponent of Big Government, am
Criminals in the UK and Australia manage to get hold of guns (although not as easily as they do in the US) yet we all survive somehow.
So what would you have people do in the event that a violent crime is committed? Call the police, and pray to whatever God they believe in, hoping
that He won't take their lives today? Self defense will have been removed from the equation when guns are removed from the citizens.
As for "being defenders against such atrocious acts" where were these defenders when all these atrocities took place? your argument is void unless
your advocating everyone carrying a gun at all times.
That's exactly what I am saying. More people SHOULD carry firearms. I have already asked you a similar question: Where were the police while this was
going on? No where to be found. They didn't even fire a shot, as the crime had already been committed, and the shooter had already committed suicide.
So much for police being able to defend the people!!
How many other countries have a school massacre a couple times a year?
Fair point. But how many of these would be prevented if more people carried? It's all part of the mindset that in this country, there's no
accountability for anything because no one can stop you. If the teachers had all had firearms available to them, it may have given this individual a
second thought about going through with it.
Because a guns only purpose is to kill, no one who is rational and living in even a semi rational society wants to own a gun. Either admit your not
rational or that your country is seriously messed up.
You're correct in that a gun's sole purpose is to kill. Typically, we use it to kill animals for food. Some people, namely military and crazy people,
use them to kill people. MY sole reason for being a gun owner is to protect myself from someone trying to take my life before the police can get here
to save me(AKA one of those crazy people). Would you have me lie down and die when a criminal who disregards the law shows up with the intention of
This however makes me neither crazy or irrational. It makes me responsible
. I have to have the right to self defense. By your own admission,
you would have that right rescinded. I'm sorry, but I will NOT subscribe to that line of thinking. That's both self-defeatest and irrational, by
So your solution is to put more guns into circulation thereby making it even easier for criminals or psychos to access them
I can see that like your other gun loving friends you really thought that one out well
Yes. However, there are laws in place to prevent mentally unstable people from accessing them. If those who issue guns were more attentive to the law,
then some of these events could be prevented. Owners of guns need to be responsible too, in order to keep the firearms out of the hands of those
mentally unfit to possess them.
And to be fair, I don't call myself a gun-loving friend. I call myself a realist. The reality of our world is that we cannot be safe when we rely on
others for our own protection. To do so is to sign our own death certificate.
If you want to sign yours, be my guest. I however, will more than likely still be alive, albeit with a smoking gun in my hand. Freedom is never free.
If you cannot see that logic, then I think you've lost touch with American society, or society in general.
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P.S. All this being said, I want to send my condolences to all those in China that were injured. I'm grateful that a gun wasn't used there. My best to
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