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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Depends on the model of the AR-15 used, barrell length, accessories such as sights put on, but a plain, unadorned AR-15 is about 7 pounds. 3 full magazines of 30 rounds gets you another eight for a total of around 15 pounds for a rifle and 90 rounds ready to go. Add another 8 pounds for every 3 magazines of 90 rounds. I don't know how many rounds he would have started with.


So if I'm understanding NavyDoc right an unadorned AR-15 with 270 rounds and the magazines to hold them comes out to around 31 pounds.

Not really that much for an adult male of any physique to carry. Even twice that is very plausible. Being skinny doesn't necessarily mean someone is weak. And a lot of the speculation about how "weak" he was is based on what are obviously out of date photos of him as a teen or younger. He was twenty years old.




posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 04:33 PM
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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 04:35 PM
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Just dont see any other reason for so many "puts" those three days leading up to the shootings. We've been told over and over again how gun sales are soaring and the record profits gun manufacturers are making. Why would anyone bet against companies doing so well? Especially since Obamas re-election.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Retraction And Apology




An early online report from the scene at the December 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School quoted a woman who identified herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was not the school's principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the Friday morning attack. The quote was removed from subsequent online versions of the story, but the original story did remain in our online archive for three days before being deleted. We apologize for whatever confusion this may have caused our readers and for any pain or anguish it may have cause the Hochsprung family.


Why would this woman announce herself as Dawn Hochsprung during an interview with the town's newspaper?

Too weird.

Source:
Retraction And Apology



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by MisterMaster
 


Nvidia is spying for the US government. If you have a nvidia card in your computer. Take a look at user profiles on your computer. They now have created a hidden user on it. UpdatusUser. Take a look at the folder it holds. The file folders on your computer. Documents, videos, links, etc etc
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Im afraid I do not own a computer, however...I am extremely interested in hearing more explanation as to what that folder holds and what it all means. Is there a thread on that to be found??



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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People are strange, some are stranger than others. Every time theres a serial killer on the loose, the police get calls and letters from people claiming to be the killer. Every time there is a major event, someone will try to gain attention from it. Hell, there are even people who will set a fire, just so they can rescue people from its flames!

Is it really so strange when you bear those things in mind, that someone might have called in to spin someone a line?



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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I don't think so. They quietly added a user to all computers that have a Nvidia video card. You have no control over it at all. You can't modify it. It contains all your file folders you have on your computer empty. But it only takes a burst to fill them and send them out over the internet. And no body really knows it is there. It was never told to any one it was being added. And to top it of it is hidden so you don't know it is there unless you dig for it.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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Keep on trucking


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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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Okay, now this story got pulled as well from the Examiner.

connecticut-school-shooting-monsignor-r obert-weiss-laughs-phone-interview

This is most, but not all of what that page used to say.




Then, during the interview, something strange occurred as Monsignor Weiss began to laugh and giggle on the phone while discussing this grave situation. He was asked how things happened at his school.

“Monsignor Weiss: "We were located...we were notified through the alarm system that's in our town through the school system,"

Monsignor Weiss began. "Our children were actually at mass so we kept them in church for quite a while and then sent them over to our hall where they are still in one group.

So now...we are just awaiting...word from the officials on what we should do from here. I'm more concerned about the...the...

(laughter)"

MSNBC: "Monsignor..."

Monsignor Weiss: "(laughter)"

MSNBC: "Monsignor...?"

Monsignor Weiss: "...(laughter)...more concerned about the parents waiting to find out what happened to their children (stifling laughter)."



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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This is the 2nd time there has been awkward laughter from professionals. The ME also was making jokes and laughing about one of the gravest tragedies ever seen in this country.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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I don't buy into the whole organized religion thing, but regardless of that, this man has the capability, in his role, to try to bring comfort to the families and community for which he serves. To make a mockery of the incident, the victims, and the families is just sick.

This is seriously just sick. I am beyond disgusted. People have broken hearts and weep who have no connection whatsoever to anyone involved. To see a man in his position to make a mockery of it is inexcusable.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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I have laughed at ill-timed and awkward moments. It's not something I am particularly proud of, but I can say with certainty that it was never done in serious situation, never mind this, the most horrific act imagineable.

Wtf is going on?



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by CCKP72
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I have laughed at ill-timed and awkward moments. It's not something I am particularly proud of, but I can say with certainty that it was never done in serious situation, never mind this, the most horrific act imagineable.

Wtf is going on?

Laughter often goes hand in hand with "shock" and "life and death". I know from experience having been through a very traumatic situation and once I realized I was alive (and how close I had came) I could not stop laughing (it was not in my control nor was it "funny")



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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This is the best picture of what that page used to look like before being canned.

Sorry for the very low quality of it.




posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by Honor93

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
Last call.

I don't care if it is a bathroom or a closet. Those in classroom bathrooms have one toilet and sink.
There is no way that all 20 kids more or less are being crammed into them as we are told.
There is no way they would all fit, I don't care if you did put one on top of the tank as Ms.Roiga says
in her account of piling 20 kids into HER classroom bath plus her, too.

Just saying.
i'm gonna have to kinda sorta disagree with ya here.
only because i've never seen this one (at school) but i've certainly been in them in PA.

some student bathrooms were 3 stalls large and could easily fit 20 small kids+adult.
(and room to spare if they're on the toilets too)

not saying it's absolute, just verifying the possibility.
if it were in my current region, i'd call BS all day.


We are not talking about a restroom out in the hall. We had those with 3 stalls also. This is supposed to be the
in-room bathrooms so they don't have to take time out to escort some little kid down the hall and they aren't subjected to older kids bullying and such. A very small restroom with one toilet and sink basin.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by Steffenfield
Hiya LadyGreenEyes.

I'm glad you took a screenshot of that story as it seems to now have completely disappeared.

Page that is no longer there anymore.
Shooting Reported Sandy Hook Elementary School
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Yeah, me, too! They did print a retraction, but there was no explanation as to who the woman was that claimed to be the principal, or if the police were looking into that issue. I would guess that some woman called them, and reported that's who she was, and they didn't know. Can just imagine how the real woman's family had to have felt, reading that story!



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by flyswatter
There was a lot of speculation by the media (never a good thing), but the police and city officials made a point to NOT officially release exactly what was used until WELL after the fact. Any information that came out saying "only 2 handguns on him" was complete speculation by the media.


I was thinking some police had made that statement, but I could be mistaken. Really hope this was just stupid media people. if so, they need to go back to school, and learn what factual reporting really is!



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Steffenfield

Retraction And Apology




An early online report from the scene at the December 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School quoted a woman who identified herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was not the school's principal, Dawn Hochsprung.....


Why would this woman announce herself as Dawn Hochsprung during an interview with the town's newspaper?

Too weird.

Exactly. Who is this woman, and why did she misrepresent herself? Was this another planted eyewitness, like we saw on 9/11, to make sure the story follows the agreed-upon script?

"The structural integrity of the iron super-structure failed due to the intense heat of the fire" -- random dude filmed on the street twenty-minutes after the towers fell on 9-11.



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"...but who knew that this day wasn't like the rest? instead of taking a test i took 2 to the chest..." - P.O.D



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Agree on the reaction of laughter at shocking moments. However, in this particular situation, I honestly don't see how that is a reasonable reaction. Just my 2 cents.

And also, by the time he gave this interview in comparision to when it happened, surely the intial shock would have subsided.
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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by stormy46237
I sincerely wish we could throw the whole Aspergers part of this mess, out the _ Unless the kid was on some kind of heavy duty meds to help manage his condition, there's darn near no way being an aspie could have had any bearing on his ability to commit this type of crime.

Yes, people with Aspergers can be prone to hair trigger, violent outbursts "in the moment" but that doesn't fit the scenario here. Most aspies are quiet, withdrawn, non-social (not anti-social), hyper focused people who just want to be left the hell alone. Some tend to lack empathetic cues which would make them less emotionally affected by something as heinous as the killing of children but on the flipside, this makes them less likely to premeditate such an action because, what would be the point?

Other aspies are hyper empathetic. They can't bear the though of anything suffering, can't even kill bugs, so they wouldn't be in a position to plan to do harm to someone or something because it would be too emotionally torturous on themselves.

I just told someone, not 30 minutes ago, that the mention of Lanza having Aspergers is going to mark all the geeky, gamer, aspie kids the same way goth kids were marked with suspicion after Columbine. I have no doubt that they walked into their classrooms today and were given sideways glances and were spoken about behind their backs. It makes me sick.

Whatever caused that boy to snap, if that's even what happened, I would be my next paycheck it didn't have a damn thing to do with ASD.

For the record, I'm the parent of 2 ASD young adults, am on the spectrum myself, and I've been active in the aspie community (yes, there is one) for 20 years.


Well, I did hear some doctor type on CBS, just a bit ago, state flat out that there is NO connection between violence and Asperger's. So, maybe, that will be widely heard, and this attack on those kids can stop!





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