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Originally posted by subalterna
A few nights ago I started looking through my NKJ Bible, since I don't have a KJ yet, to see evidence to support the Trinity. The Bible clearly states that the Word was manifested in the flesh as Jesus.
The Word is said several times to be God. The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit are one.
Jesus even said that He was the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. God the Father also said He was the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Rev 1:8 Jesus: "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," F3 says the Lord, F4 "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Rev1:11[Jesus] saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, F6 "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: F7 to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."
Rev 21:6 6 And He (the words were not in red which if they were would signify Jesus speaking) said to me, "It is done! F113 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.
John 1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.
d3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (The Son of God, Jesus)
1 Tim 3:14 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God F4 was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. (Again referring to Jesus)
Heb 1 1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself F1 purged our F2 sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You"? F3 And again: "I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son"? F4 6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him." F5 7 And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire." F6 8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions." F7 10 And: "You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 11 They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment; 12 Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail." F8 13 But to which of the angels has He ever said: "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool"? F9 14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?
(Remember, God forbids anyone to worship anyone/thing that is not the true God, we also see that God calls His Son God)
(Jesus is the living God)
Heb 3:12 12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God
1 John 3:5,8 5 And you know that He [God, read previous verses] was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
1John 5:7,20 7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word [Jesus], and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.(AKA the Trinity)
Read about "The Lie of John 5:7" ->
D20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God
No, it's a contradiction to say "the son of God is the True God".
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (Also refers to the Holy Trinity)
How does it refer to the "Holy Trinity" (a word that is never even mentioned)?
Please be specific.
Rom 9:5 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
Blah blah Christ came in flesh I get it, but where is the teaching of the "Holy Trinity" ? ::??::
Philip. 2:5-8 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. (God was manifested to live as one of us and to perfectly live in obediance to the Father)
There are plenty more verses that give proof that Jesus is God in the flesh.
I also think silentvoice.net... the "Knowing God Thesis" is something you might want to check out.
No, please post a verse where Jesus said he is GOD.
& the following is taken from www.thereligioustruth.com ->
"'Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. 'No one is good except God alone.'" - Mark 10:18
"So Jesus said, 'When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.'" - John 8:28
"The father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form." - John 5:37
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord', shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he only he who does the will of My Father in heaven." - Matthew 7:21
"For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me." - John 6:38
"I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him." - John 13:16
"Jesus said to them, 'Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor.'" - Matthew 13:57
"Jesus answered, 'My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.'" - John 7:16
"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." - John 14:28
Originally posted by helen670
To the contrary, Christianity is a life in which separate persons are so united among themselves that their unity can be likened to the unity of the Persons of the Holy Trinity.
Originally posted by Maddas
The doctrine of the Trinity is an absolute mystery.
Originally posted by subalterna
The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit are one.
Originally posted by Maddas
(4) (This one for you Another_1) The doctrine of the Trinity is an absolute mystery. It is primarily known, not through speculation, but through experiencing the act of grace through personal faith.
Originally posted by HKoT
But you're wrong about that, Constantine had nothing to do with the trinity.
Originally posted by Lysergic
Constantine was introduced to the trinity debates which existed before he became emperor.
Constantine had no role in shaping trinity doctrine.
To suggest that Constantine introduced trinity doctrine from pagan sources is false.
Originally posted by Lysergic
Constantine stopped worshipping the sun at his conversion many years before Nicea.
The greatest accomplishment of Constantine during his lifetime was yet to come; the legalization of Christianity which entrenched itself in the Roman world henceforth. Constantine had signed a treaty with Licinius, who had become the sole Eastern Emperor after defeating Maximinius, but broke the treaty in 324 a conquered the entire Empire himself. His next task was to unify the Empire under a single religion, that of Christianity. The basis of modern Christianity is the Trinity, but at that time this concept had several different variations. The spectrum ranged from those who rejected it and claimed Jesus to be a prophet, to those who could count that 1+1+1= 3, and claimed Jesus to be one of three gods. The foundation for the Trinity being outlined in very advanced Greek, it was impossible for Constantine to entirely comprehend it himself. Yet, he naturally chose the diplomatic middle position and decided that God was three-in-one based on the theologians Tertullian, Cyprian, and Augustine. He convened the council of Nicaea in 325, in which the Creed outline his version of the relationship between Jesus and the Father. It is unfortunate that the relationship of Constantine and his own son could not be so close, as while he was in the West he had his eldest son and deputy emperor, Crispus, and his wife, Fausta, executed for reasons that remained a mystery. All other forms of Christianity that did not comply to this Creed, including Arianism, were labeled as heretics and were to be eliminated. To this day, Constantine’s Nicean Creed is used as the basis for determining who is a Christian, which is why Jehovah’s Witnesses, that rely heavily on the doctrine of Arianism, are still labelled as heretics today.
"Constantine had basically no understanding whatsoever of the questions that were being asked in Greek theology."