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Do the bankers steal the money we were supposed to be born with?

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posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 01:28 AM
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How is mankind confronted with an abundance of everything necessary for survival? Water, food, air, bodies, plant, sun. etc.

yet

Everyone is born completely devoid of money? - bank account on ''EMPTY,'' broke.


Is the money the bankers create out of thin air suppose to be portioned in to accounts for newborns so that every human being is born with something? Why isn't this possible?

Since when is man born with ''nothing'' ?!




posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 01:36 AM
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reply to post by Kapablanka
 


So you want us to hand money over to the latest spawn of the local unemployed single mother so it can get its 20 a day habit started early?



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 01:38 AM
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Contrary to popular belief, no one is entitled to anything!

I was born into nothing, so shall those born now be.



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by Kapablanka
Since when is man born with ''nothing'' ?!


All the time, just what do you expect to be born with? What have you done as a baby to deserve any money? You spend all your time sleeping, crying, feeding or crapping
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posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 01:44 AM
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Since when? How about always? Other than what your family may give you, anything given to you by a type of society (communism, socialism, capitalism) will expect you to pay back with interest. Why do you deserve anything without having contributed anything? At first I thought you were talking about death taxes keeping you from inheriting from your family but apparently you just want something for nothing. I'm guessing you are under 30 or thereabouts.



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 01:45 AM
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I like this idea... We should give babies money, lots of money- And cars, fast sporty cars...And Top hats...Perhaps a monocle. They get all this right from birth.

Then we can (very easily) trick the babies into giving us the money, cars and monocles- They can keep the Top hat for the cost of beads and trinkets.

It worked with the Indians, right?



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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Everything about your life is ''something for nothing,'' your body, your thoughts, this planet, air, water, food, energy...Everything is something for nothing, is it not ? Your soul did absolutely nothing and look at all the somethings it miraculously has.

If you're above 30, do you have children, do you desire to raise a child in to a life with nothing? What if you knew your children would be born with something? Its not about us, or me being born with nothing, its why haven't we, as the most intelligent species, configured wealth distribution to support our entire population?



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 02:14 AM
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Bankers are constantly stealing the quality of life away from Americans and nearly every other country in existence.



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 02:16 AM
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...Contrary to popular belief, no one is entitled to anything!


you seem fairly certain of this. where does it come from?

on the contrary, I cannot imagine any reason why those persons whom have arrived on this planet before me, according to circumstances that neither of us control, should claim ownership. its like going to the moon and saying "I claim this for ME!" and then years later someone else shows up....

it belongs to ALL OF US. (contrary to popular belief).

(p.s. pre-empting your counter argument: planetary resources = money)



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 02:37 AM
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We are the crown of creation and we have to continually prove we are worth something through various struggles which typically involve the accumulation of the banksters' printed mickey mouse currencies. If we don't develop sufficient business savvy to gain significantly more than we lose, then someone may angrily declare: "Yer a nobody, a nothin', a crumb!"

Perhaps the real value of the fiat currency is realised to the equal extent that the human being is devalued.



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 03:09 AM
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On the matter of entitlement, regarding the origin of currency creation.

Which human beings are entitled/were entitled to create and distribute mankind's first currency? Who/what/where ''deserves'' this power? The first men to create fiat currency, were men that are no different from me or you. So what is entitlement?





Originally posted by Golden Rule
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Perhaps the real value of the fiat currency is realized to the equal extent that the human being is devalued.


The devaluation begins even before birth when we're born with a projected ''numerical self'' debt load we owe of real work/money we're expected to create throughout our life for others to prey upon.
It seems easier for a population to accept that they don't deserve anything, than it is for them to accept the possibility that they could and should be born with everything.

This makes no sense to me.



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by tgidkp
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...Contrary to popular belief, no one is entitled to anything!


you seem fairly certain of this. where does it come from?

on the contrary, I cannot imagine any reason why those persons whom have arrived on this planet before me, according to circumstances that neither of us control, should claim ownership. its like going to the moon and saying "I claim this for ME!" and then years later someone else shows up....

it belongs to ALL OF US. (contrary to popular belief).

(p.s. pre-empting your counter argument: planetary resources = money)


Are you legitimately trying to argue the point that, just because someone existed before you, they should just HAND OVER what they have worked for, to you, who has, at birth, done nothing?

If I have misunderstood this insane argument, forgive me, I am tired. Just let me know and I'll amend.



This is what is wrong with America. The rising portion of the population who is so entitled and thinks everything should just be handed to them, because they are too lazy (or too unintelligent) to work for what they need, and fight for what they want.



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 03:35 AM
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If you read my OP you'll see I'm not arguing or suggesting anything, its more of a philosophical question with real world application.

You don't need to amend anything, if its in your nature to explore ideas with confrontation, thats ok, too.
Whats wrong with America? ''Tell me whats wrong with the world I'll tell you whats wrong with you''

You use money every day, you have a religious relationship with it, if everyone was aware of the process of creation, we'd all have a little more control over it's real ''value'' wouldn't we? And we might understand how ''creating'' value of nothingness might be our E factor to deliver the entire earth either abundance or suffering, depending on how its used....



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 03:50 AM
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I'll see your "wrong with America" b.s. and raise you "wrong with humanity".

I'm not asking anyone to give me nothin that isn't already mine.

I just don't understand why, considering that since i BECAME alive by no account of my own, that i should have to toil and struggle to REMAIN alive.

I'm not asking for much. really. just point me to some small plot of earth, which according to my previous post I regard as my legitimate birthright, and i promise you will never hear from me again.

what? you say someone "owns" that and i must pay? pppppffftt.

I say NO! ------>> wrong with HUMANITY.


ETA: especially considering that we are more than capable, technologically, to eliminate scarcity of resources altogether. who DOESNT watch star-trek and think, "must be nice"?
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posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 03:55 AM
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Originally posted by tgidkp
I'm not asking for much. really. just point me to some small plot of earth, which according to my previous post I regard as my legitimate birthright, and i promise you will never hear from me again.

what? you say someone "owns" that and i must pay? pppppffftt.


oh, and the person who was given it before you would just lose it, and when another baby was born you would lose it....



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 04:02 AM
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yes. from whence does their "fiat" power come?

and let's just pretend for a moment that i no longer want to play their game, seeing as I had no hand in the game's creation and it seems distinctly geared toward "their" advantage and not my own. do you honestly think they'd let me out alive?

THE PENALTY IS ALWAYS DEATH.


the "entitlement" argument is just so petty. please, come join us in the 21st century.



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 04:05 AM
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there are kinks to be worked out, yes. i do not claim to argue from a pragmatic pov. so it seems silly to bicker about a purely ideological supposition.

but then again, I really don't think the pragmatism of our current way of life is working out all that great. you telling me there are not equally difficult resolutions to work out in our current system?
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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The same reason Communism doesn't work. Human nature. Many people may be willing to give, but at least some feel the need to take. To take more. To take control. To have power over others. To feel superior by treating others more poorly. Intelligent? Yes. Highly evolved? Not emotionally or logically. How much of our top research goes to weapons, how to kill better, how to make things cheap so we have to buy replacements even though we are poisoning our planet? Idealistically, some ideas are great. Functionally, they don't work. Rationally, we are a failed species as a whole despite wonderful people here and there. Too many evil leaders, too many stupid sheep, not enough action to remedy situations. Like spending too much time AND money... on our computers



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