Originally posted by dominicus
in reply to OP iSHRED,
I too have had the Holy Spirit experience and it was an ego death, upon many more to come, it was electric, ecstatic, mystical, enlightening.......
But your train of thought on "Knowing that God exists" will fall on deaf ears for the most part.
I'm an ex-Atheist and know exactly how "they" think, because I used to have all the sam harris and richard dawkins and all the other pop atheist
books and smooth witted attacks and arguments to attack anyone who wasn't an atheist. I made many cry as well, destroying their faith with Logic.
They will tell you it's a subjective experience.
They don't count subjectivity as something that needs to be studied and held in high regard. Yet all people operate in existence through
subjectivity, and consciousness itself is in its scientific infancy of study ...something once held taboo.
I know where you are coming from.
It's going to come down to those who experience God and those who don't
As one who has experienced this, I am able to recognize it when other people speak of it. Those who haven’t experienced can only imagine it by the
sadly inadequate ways that us experiencers try to describe what is truly indescribable.
What I find baffling is when someone who has experienced it attributes it to some aspect of Christianity, or to some aspect of any organized religion
at all. Like you and the OP calling it the Holy Spirit for instance. After my experience, it took me several months to even find the right words to
even come close to describing what I had felt. And the Holy Spirit was not one of them, even having grown up in Christianity my whole life.
In all fairness the human language is limited. I realize it just comes down to semantics. I tried to consider that what I experienced was the Holy
Spirit. Yet as I began reading through the Bible, I cannot even remotely reconcile what I experienced to the words in that book. And then I could
only ask myself, why am I trying to pin a label on this, why am I trying to define what is truly indefinable, why am I trying to put God in a box?
That indescribable light, that “electric, ecstatic, mystical, enlightening” “death of the ego”, was so far above and beyond any religion. God
transcends all religion. Whenever anyone tries to tell me that I need to accept Jesus in order to be saved from hell, it is like fingernails on a
chalkboard. Because of what I experienced I know such dogma is a human construct and has no basis in Reality. If anything, it is Love that saves. And
the only thing you need saving from is yourself. But I will confess that that is my truth based on my experience with becoming one with God, and I
will not expect others to agree with me because they have not experienced what I did.
If such an experience really is so enlightening, I would expect that the experiencers would recognize that there are many paths to God, and all roads
eventually lead Home. To experience this enlightening and then to revert back to insisting there is only one way, I have to question their
interpretation of this experience. Because it did the exact opposite for me, making me realize there is not just one way but infinite ways. If
believing in Jesus helps make you a good person, then more power to you. But an enlightened being would not be so arrogant to believe that their truth
should be everyone else’s truth.
I do know that the reason I experienced what I did was so that I can help others have hope, help them realize that they too can have direct knowledge
of God if they seek with a sincere heart. When asked if I believe in God, my response is always no. I don’t believe, I know. And so can you.