Gay Marriage is Wrong and I am not a Homophobe, page 2

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by tothetenthpower

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Yup, civil partnerships effectively grand homosexual couples the same legal rights as married couples the only difference is that it is a legal ceremony and not a religious one.

To be clear I am in 100% agreement with civil partnership, I think it is a fantastic idea.

Wish it was like that where I am from, but North Carolina is crazy.. Civil unions are not even recognized here..

North Carolinians voted to change the state constitution Tuesday to say that the only valid "domestic legal partnership" in the state is marriage between a man and a woman. The amendment passed 61 to 39 percent, making North Carolina the 29th state with a gay marriage ban in its constitution.

The state already outlawed gay marriage, but the constitutional amendment makes it more difficult for politicians to ever change the law. The amendment also means that a handful of North Carolina municipalities that extended benefits to the domestic partners of their employees will no longer be able to do so, since marriage is now the only valid legal partnership in the state.

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No rights whatsoever here...

It seems to me that you think gay marriage being legalized is forcing religious institutions into performing their particular marriage ceremonies for these same sex couples.


www.cnn.com...

In fact it appears they are banning gay marriage ceremonies from being performed in the Church of England; the same for its Welsh counterpart.

And other religious organizations have the option to perform them if they wish.


Here in New York, U.S., you get the Government issued license at town hall, and have the religious ceremony separately. Even before gay marriage was legalized here a bit more than a year ago, churches had the right to refuse any heterosexual couples from having a ceremony at their churches. Now they have the right to do so with same sex couples.



My question to the OP, is does the English government issue marriage documents that aren't through/related to the Church Of England?

reply to post by Xcalibur254

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In other words churches could perform same sex marriages if they so desired.

That’s very true however I have to ask why the state has to get involved atoll, we already have civil partnerships this for me is just the state interfering were it is not wanted and the churched themselves have said on the whole they would not hold same sex marriage ceremonies so what is the point in the government bothering with this legislation.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by Ghost375

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Why is it everybody elses problem that you lack the parenting skills to explain something to your children?

There's only two options, you respond, yes you can marry anyone, but you shouldn't.
Or lie to your kids and tell them they can only marry girls.

There's just no rational way to explain the first option, so people are going to have to lie. It will be a very awkward situation. It has nothing to do with my parenting skill.
It's a great ad hominem argument though! Good job mod!

reply to post by AfterInfinity

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If gay marriage is wrong, then I know pronounce you a civil union. For EVERYONE. No more marriage - ever. Just to make it fair, because if everyone can't have marriage, then no one can.

So by your logic if we can’t agree on allowing gay marriage we should just abolish the religious ceremony and tradition of marriage eroding further religious practice.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

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By not allowing a couple to marry, you also remove their right to the benefits that marriage entails.

- visitation rights and can make medical decisions, unless otherwise specified in a living will
- benefits for federal employees -- many of which are also offered by private employers -- such as sick leave, - bereavement leave, days off for the birth of a child, pension and retirement benefits, family health insurance plans
- some property and inheritance rights, even in the absence of a will
- the ability to create life insurance trusts
- tax benefits, such as being able to give tax free gifts to a spouse and to file joint tax returns
- the ability to receive Medicare, Social Security, disability and veteran's benefits for a spouse
- discount or family rates for auto, health and homeowners insurance
- immigration and residency benefits, making it easier to bring a spouse to the U.S. from abroad
visiting rights in jail

(In 'Merca at least)

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reply to post by wrdwzrd

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Why not allow polygamy between consenting couples or incestual unions then?

reply to post by 12m8keall2c

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Separation Of Church And State, mind you(?)

I don't recall that being in the constitution. Not that I disagree, but you know how that goes. If it isn't in the constitution, the cows will be coming home and the fights will still be in full swing.

reply to post by Ghost375

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I don't' understand?!

If my youngest asked me today this is what I would tell her:

"People get married because the government provides them with rights that people who aren't married don't received. It's a game plan to help each other financially. Other people do it because of religious and personal reasons as it's an important step in growing up in their culture."

Why on earth would I tell them anything different than the truth?

Lying to children is nonsense and serves no purpose other than to distract them from their parents own failings and discomfort.

~Tenth

reply to post by wrdwzrd

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everything about this is homophobic...

Why, why is it homophobic for me to say that I oppose gay marriage because of my religious believes. That means that if I uphold and defend my religious believes I am declared homophobic or I alter my religious believes to appease liberal bigotry, why are religious people being demonised by holding a religious view.

reply to post by CosmicCitizen

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Let's make it simple: a marriage should not only be between a man and a woman but such union should not be legal unless "consummated" sexually (which would be impossible with homosexual couples). Call it a "homosexual union" and give them equal rights (including property division of dissolved unions)....just dont allow it to be legally called a "marriage".....

Who says gays can't have sex? If you so much as get a grope, it's sexual. So what kind of "sexual consummation" are we talking about?

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