The 2012 "awakening" is predictable.

Before I begin, let me preface this by making it known that I am not a believer in any of the far-out theories of 2012 regarding Nibiru, pole shifts, the ascension, or anything of that sort. Without any connective evidence, all theories fall flat on their face. The 21st will go by without anything spectacular happening.

Except one thing.

This one thing I feel is not only predictable, logical, it is in human nature

When the 21st goes by, and a lot of people out there who listened to the woo woo's and con artists realize they were mislead, we're going to see a mass conversion into skeptics take place.

This is the ascension, a global awakening that not everything we're told is true. Layers upon layers of illusion mask over so many of us, that a lot of us have learned to stop asking questions. Doubts about the validity of "truths" told to us are quickly surpressed. Any who dare try to think outside the box of this grand illusion are immediately shut down, ostracized (spelling?), and even exiled. Or in some countries, worse fates befall.

We are told our compassion for those in need makes us bleeding heart liberals, wanting to share what is our's with those who have little is called socialism, seekers of love and peace are called hippies, those who want the tools to defend their family are called gun nuts. Dreamers become childish.

We seek to believe in things as real that are wild and outlandish, we crave conflict and drama to fill our empty lives, we look for aliens, spiritual ascension into other dimensions, and rogue dwarf stars to resolve our problems. All the while, our own world burns while we stare into the sky to find doomsday scenarios.

But when our fears are shown to be unfounded, all of the time and effort we put into the myriad of New Age messianic activities and the end of the world will prove to make is disappointed.

You question authority and yet put your faith into psuedoscientists and matchstick men. But come the 21st, you'll ask the one big question that I feel is vital: If you can't even trust those who say they have your best interests at heart, can you really trust anyone? If so, how far can that trust go?

This so-called Ascension won't take you to another dimension, planet, or on a spaceship. Many of you will still be here, but the question is, in what capacity? I ask that instead of disappointment or embarrassment when what you think will happen doesn't happen, and instead, use this opportunity to expand your horizons. People aren't what they say they are, neither are you, and what they tell you may have an entirely different meaning even they might not be aware of.

In the end, cherish life, spread the love, use your noggin, and question everything. EVERYthing.

Originally posted by ManjushriPrajna
In the end, cherish life, spread the love, use your noggin, and question everything. EVERYthing.

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Couldn't agree with you more on this statement.

Originally posted by ManjushriPrajna

When the 21st goes by, and a lot of people out there who listened to the woo woo's and con artists realize they were mislead, we're going to see a mass conversion into skeptics take place.

1. What are woo woo's?
2. What are skeptics?
3. Are these masses of converted skeptics going to be able to realize that we are, in your own words, 'all God'?

Much of the woo woo crowd will "ascend" to the next doomsday date while discrediting the accuracy of the Mayan calendar.

You can't expect a certain type to be content with the world that exists.

What if 2012 is the biggest freaking red herring anyone ever saw?

Or didn't see, as it were.

Good thoughts, nice thread

Perhaps the main objective of 12/21 is to encourage us to formulate possibilities for the future. We need to be clear on our intentions before we can makes any changes in our lives, and the world.

Best 2012 thread on the board and the only one I agree with S&F.
2th.

Oh and woo woo's I love it

Well if nothing happens it will be the end of disaster 2012 shows.

Disagee. The woo-woos will still insist that they were right. They will claim that the calendar was misinterpreted and the end is actually a date in the future, or they will insist that something did occur but it was spiritual or metaphysical and that they changed and the rest of us schlubs did not.

I've been to this dance many,many times. The beat is always the same.

Originally posted by BlueMule

Originally posted by ManjushriPrajna

When the 21st goes by, and a lot of people out there who listened to the woo woo's and con artists realize they were mislead, we're going to see a mass conversion into skeptics take place.

1. What are woo woo's?
2. What are skeptics?
3. Are these masses of converted skeptics going to be able to realize that we are, in your own words, 'all God'?

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1. Woo woo is an affectionate word for people who firmly believe in something, usually something that seems absurd, and ignores all evidence to the contrary (though that definition is probably not completely adequate).

2. A skeptic is a person who doesn't generally just accept things told to them, and more so questions it and seeks a better answer. Now, there's plenty of "chronic" skeptics out there who are, to some degree, cynical. But a good skeptic is one who isn't hostile towards statements and "truths", but someone who seeks out claims and picks them apart, not particularly for themselves, but for those who may be prone to believing in them blindly. A good example, in my opinion, would be Phage.

3. Baby steps, my friend.

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I have had a lot of anticipation of this date. I really never thought anything would happen but I always thought ''what if?''.

After reading this post, it rang so many bells, my stomach was churning. I think you are onto something with this prediction.

21/12/12 is the one, the mother of all predictions.

Originally posted by ManjushriPrajna

Originally posted by BlueMule

Originally posted by ManjushriPrajna

When the 21st goes by, and a lot of people out there who listened to the woo woo's and con artists realize they were mislead, we're going to see a mass conversion into skeptics take place.

1. What are woo woo's?
2. What are skeptics?
3. Are these masses of converted skeptics going to be able to realize that we are, in your own words, 'all God'?

edit on 13-12-2012 by BlueMule because: (no reason given)

1. Woo woo is an affectionate word for people who firmly believe in something, usually something that seems absurd, and ignores all evidence to the contrary (though that definition is probably not completely adequate).

Hmm. I'm going to need your help to get a feel for what you mean. So I'll ask you a few questions. Do you 'believe' in ESP? Telepathy? Precognition? Why or why not.

Have you ever had an experience that some people might call 'paranormal' or 'supernatural'? If so please describe it.

2. A skeptic is a person who doesn't generally just accept things told to them, and more so questions it and seeks a better answer. Now, there's plenty of "chronic" skeptics out there who are, to some degree, cynical. But a good skeptic is one who isn't hostile towards statements and "truths", but someone who seeks out claims and picks them apart, not particularly for themselves, but for those who may be prone to believing in them blindly. A good example, in my opinion, would be Phage.

Its natural for people to put the best foot forward and downplay such things as all the "chronic" skeptics, but I think I have yet to meet a 'good skeptic'.

3. Baby steps, my friend.

Forgive me but this sounds like an evasion.

No, I think you have it all wrong. But then again, I think that about pretty much everyone.

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Why? They are all fiction......Entertainment only!

If you want to watch a show about people building bunkers for 2012, have at it......Same as watching a show or movie about Y2K or anything for that matter......Purely entertainment only!

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1. I don't know. I have none of those, and I haven't seen any viable proof that those actually exist. As for anything paranormal or supernatural, I occasionally see things that could be described as "ghostly", but they can usually be chalked down to simple explanations that aren't in the least ghostly.

2. Sure there are. I think I'm a good skeptic (I try to be good anyways).

3. Not an evasion at all. I don't expect everybody to see nothing out of the ordinary happen on the 21st, go to bed, and on the 22nd they wake up with the realization that they're God. But when you get right down to the meat of reality, it's the only logical conclusion. Of course, I'm not using God in the context of any particular religion, but God as the name amongst a multitude of names given to something that cannot truly be named, described, or perceived by the senses. Only felt.

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Shows about bunkers, pawn shops, alcoholic New Jerseyans, and even a bunch of guys claiming the White House was made by little green men from Mars. It's great!

... Actually, I don't watch TV much anymore. My brain is too precious to me to have it rot while hooked up to the boob tube.

Originally posted by ManjushriPrajna
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1. I don't know. I have none of those, and I haven't seen any viable proof that those actually exist.

"Viable proof"? What's that supposed to mean?

Using the same standards as any other branch of science, there is significant evidence for parapsychological functioning. The body of parapsychological evidence is very big and very real and very significant and it's out there for anyone who takes the initiative to find it. The fact that you are unaware of this, means that somewhere along the line you 'just accepted' some scientism dogma. The same ol' dogma that every "skeptic" spouts...that there is "no evidence".

2. Sure there are. I think I'm a good skeptic (I try to be good anyways).

You seem like a nice guy but that alone doesn't make you a good skeptic. A good skeptic doesn't just sit there waiting for his friendly neighboorhood mainstream scientist to bring him "viable proof" of psi on a silver platter if and when it should surface. He seeks it out himself and reads such things as parapsychology textbooks, for starters.

3. Not an evasion at all. I don't expect everybody to see nothing out of the ordinary happen on the 21st, go to bed, and on the 22nd they wake up with the realization that they're God. But when you get right down to the meat of reality, it's the only logical conclusion. Of course, I'm not using God in the context of any particular religion, but God as the name amongst a multitude of names given to something that cannot truly be named, described, or perceived by the senses. Only felt.

Do self-awarded badges of "skepticism" and "rationality" help people to feel God? Generally speaking, I mean.

another "prophet" claiming "nothing will happen"
i'll admit yours was better redacted and less offensive

until you used woo-woo and gave yourself away

i'll just let this poster from youtube sum it up for me

]collingswoodbirther 1 day ago

It is disingenuous of you to repeat the Straw Man argument that 2012ers are saying the world is? ending on 12/21/12. We are not. Of those who find 12/21/12 significant, no one I am aware is saying that. The Maya said each Age ("Sun") ended with a cataclysm. These are depicted on the calendar stone. "The world is not ending on Dec. 21st" is a deceptive meme promulgating disinformation and inoculating against knowledge of what is coming."
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lol i said sum it up
i've emphasized my point[s] for clarity
though not interested in posters credentials, have a star for due diligence

regarding your argument with bluemule much proof of psi was obtained in the "mysteriously forgotten" 70's
[which is a nother subject in itself]

will presume to "agree" with you [and no doubt bluemule will too] that there's no such thing as "instant" transcendence/enlightment/illumination [save the moment it's finally achieved, of course]

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Originally posted by BlueMule

Originally posted by ManjushriPrajna
reply to post by BlueMule

 

1. I don't know. I have none of those, and I haven't seen any viable proof that those actually exist.

"Viable proof"? What's that supposed to mean?

Using the same standards as any other branch of science, there is significant evidence for parapsychological functioning. The body of parapsychological evidence is very big and very real and very significant and it's out there for anyone who takes the initiative. The fact that you are unaware of this, means that somewhere along the line you 'just accepted' some scientism dogma. The same ol' dogma that every "skeptic" spouts...that there is "no evidence".

2. Sure there are. I think I'm a good skeptic (I try to be good anyways).

You seem like a nice guy but that alone doesn't make you a good skeptic. A good skeptic doesn't just sit there waiting for his friendly neighboorhood mainstream scientist to bring him "viable proof" of psi if and when it should surface. He seeks it out and reads such things as parapsychology textbooks, for starters.

3. Not an evasion at all. I don't expect everybody to see nothing out of the ordinary happen on the 21st, go to bed, and on the 22nd they wake up with the realization that they're God. But when you get right down to the meat of reality, it's the only logical conclusion. Of course, I'm not using God in the context of any particular religion, but God as the name amongst a multitude of names given to something that cannot truly be named, described, or perceived by the senses. Only felt.

Do self-awarded badges of "skepticism" and "rationality" help people to feel God? Generally speaking, I mean.

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I know about parapsychology. As Carl Sagan once put it, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." That is something parapsychology just doesn't provide. Until parapsychology pushes one of their subjects into the limelight and shows that said-subject can do anything parapsychological, I'm going to continue to question that particular branch of pseudoscience. How many psychics have been proven bogus? How many spoon benders have been debunked?

I don't rely on scientists. But one thing I do do? I listen to what they have to say. Because if I had a choice between relying on information given to me by a scientist, and information given to me by a guy that says he can telepathically communicate with reptilians... Well, you can take a wild guess as to who has more validity in my books.

Lastly, the problem with a lot of skeptics and people who preach rationality is that, as my father once put it, "they have the rhythm but not the melody." When the brightness and color of the world gets drained for you, and you start to question everything begrudgingly, you're all bones and muscle and no skin, a man-machine that just sort of klink-klanks through life feeling hostility towards people with imaginations. Like I said in my first post, in this day and age, a person with beautiful dreams, a hopeful optimism, and colorful imaginations are likened to children, as if those things are childish and have no place in our lives as adults.

You won't need any badges to feel "it", whatever you want to call "it". In fact, you won't need any help feeling it. You just feel it, it's there and very real, because you're it.

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
another "prophet" claiming "nothing will happen"
i'll admit yours was better redacted and less offensive

until you used woo-woo and gave yourself away

i'll just let this poster from youtube sum it up for me

]collingswoodbirther 1 day ago

It is disingenuous of you to repeat the Straw Man argument that 2012ers are saying the world is? ending on 12/21/12. We are not. Of those who find 12/21/12 significant, no one I am aware is saying that. The Maya said each Age ("Sun") ended with a cataclysm. These are depicted on the calendar stone. "The world is not ending on Dec. 21st" is a deceptive meme promulgating disinformation and inoculating against knowledge of what is coming.
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I'm not saying 2012's all believe the world will end. No offense, but it seems you didn't read the entire post and automatically went on the offense. 2012ers run the gambit, but the most popular ones involving pole shifts, ascensions, and evil stars looming into our solar system simply won't happen. I can guarantee you they won't happen, and I'm not afraid to make that claim because on the 22nd I'll be right here again (probably reading threads about how the "date was wrong" or something).

So no, I'm not creating a Straw Man. Those are things that they believe. What? You think I just made up those theories and applied them to people who think everything will be hunky-dory on the 21st?

Also, I'm not sure how I feel about you quoting someone with the screen name ""collingswoodbirther" who believes in something called the "Sign of Q", that we'll experience a pole shift (apparently an instantaneous one, defying the laws of physics), and that Obama will be resurrected after being assassinated. You might want to find more reliable (and down to earth) people to reference.

Originally posted by ManjushriPrajna
I know about parapsychology.

I'm sorry but I don't think you do.

As Carl Sagan once put it, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."

What people find to be ordinary and to be extra-ordinary varies...the inner bar is set according to personal beliefs and cultural norms and personal experiences.

And "proof" is an elusive concept. What Sagan actually said was evidence. Science deals in evidence, not proof. There is a lot of evidence for psi, but if the notion of psi flies in the face of a "skeptic" he will set his inner bar very high indeed, while setting the bar lower for other sorts of things that they find agreeable. Double-standards and rhetoric are all skeptics have.

That is something parapsychology just doesn't provide.

Oh yes it does.

Until parapsychology pushes one of their subjects into the limelight and shows that said-subject can do anything parapsychological, I'm going to continue to question that particular branch of pseudoscience. How many psychics have been proven bogus? How many spoon benders have been debunked?

Ah, there's that convenient concept of "proof" again. Its made you very vulnerable to "the trickster"...

The Trickster and the Paranormal

I don't rely on scientists. But one thing I do do? I listen to what they have to say. Because if I had a choice between relying on information given to me by a scientist, and information given to me by a guy that says he can telepathically communicate with reptilians... Well, you can take a wild guess as to who has more validity in my books.

Again you indulge in the lazy intellectual habit of putting your best foot against their worst foot... tsk, tsk.

You won't need any badges to feel "it", whatever you want to call "it". In fact, you won't need any help feeling it. You just feel it, it's there and very real, because you're it.

As someone who has had a unity experience with the Divine (more than one actually) I think you don't know what you are talking about.