posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 04:40 PM
Originally posted by mOjOm
Not sure if I totally agree with what you're saying here, but then again I'm not sure I completely understand what it is you're saying either. So
let's keep digging into this one.
It seems like using a contextual relationship between Finite and Infinite is impossible other than to say they are opposing concepts that must exist
exclusively from one another so as to define each other. Their exclusivity would then satisfy your argument of their non-interaction with one
another, however it would still require their Being to also be present only what defines "Being" would have to be discussed possibly. I'm not sure
if you can say that anythings "Being" is quantifiable either as an absolute. Reality as we know it is in a state of Being yet that state is ever
Changing so it's state of absoluteness is not the same from moment to moment.
I am not suggesting that both the infinite and finite exist as relative to one another - even though permanently incompatible. You're misinterpreting
my suggesting that if there was such a thing as an infinite anything, its being state would have to be inherently absolute. I've already stated that
infinity does not exist. This entire thread is based on that statement. There is no such thing as an identifiable "something" that exists as
absolute, and I thought I presented one good reason why this is true. It can't be delineated as existent if it is absolute - thereby having no
borders, boundaries, or relative relationship with that which is NOT it.
On a side note, I don't think that this would effect most religious ideals anyway since most claim that their God of choice is also beyond our
finite limitations. Therefore once again, as they would probably claim, it is only because our limited ability and our finite awareness that we are
unable to comprehend what an Infinite Being would be. Christianity in fact claims both actually, in that their God is both Infinite and Finite even
within it's own scripture by saying that God is both "Alpha and Omega" beginging and end (Finite) as well as Omi-everything (Infinite). Breaking
through that kind of thinking once it is accepted as truth, is practically invincible to any kind of argument.
It's still impossible, regardless of whether it is embraced as a tenet of someone's faith. Finite is not a limitation. It is the basis of actual
definable existence, and this is where the whole infinity meme breaks down completely. If something - let's say God - exists as infinite in nature,
then there is literally nothing that isn't God. And I mean nothing. There's no beginning and no end to the literal wholeness of this being, and the
ramifications of this are staggering for the actual existence of this God being. Let me see if I can sketch it out for you.
Even the culmination or collection of everything exists relative to that contextual relationship it has with what it's not. Not that it'd be easy to
identify (that which it's not) but for that collective to actually exist, it would require a full and inimitable identity, and that identity could
only be achieved if that collective could be fully separated from what contains it - contextually speaking. That relative relationship between "it"
and "not it" is what we call reality, and there is no such relationship between an absolute (in the most holistic sense, which is what an infinite
God being would necessarily have to be) and anything that isn't it, because there isn't anything that isn't it. In essence, the infinite God being
is incapable of achieving actual identity, which is the primordial essence of existence. In short, if it is actually infinite (existing as absolute)
then it's this infiniteness that denies it actual existence.
Did that help any?