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Originally posted by NorEaster
Originally posted by xxshadowfaxx
I didn't realize there was even a conspiracy surrounding infinity..... really? So what do we call things that appear endless? Oh and, whats the highest number we can count to?
Endless is not the same as infinite. Infinite extends in both directions. Endless only extends in one direction. Big difference between the two.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
Infinity is as another poster said, a mathematical conception or expression.
Think of it in practical...er...not so practical terms.
If you got into a space ship and headed for the edge of the universe, you would never get there...no matter how long you lived or how near the speed of light you could approach. So from within the boundaries of an expanding universe, it would appear to be endless...infinite. It is an expression and a concept so...no...you didn't debunk anything...
But you are allowed to think so if you need to...nothing you said or proposed changes my concept of what the term is used to describe.
Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
Originally posted by NorEaster
Originally posted by xxshadowfaxx
I didn't realize there was even a conspiracy surrounding infinity..... really? So what do we call things that appear endless? Oh and, whats the highest number we can count to?
Endless is not the same as infinite. Infinite extends in both directions. Endless only extends in one direction. Big difference between the two.
Count as high as you can..........Count in reverse from zero.......Is that not infinte??
Originally posted by mOjOm
I'm debunking you debunk of infinity.
Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
Originally posted by NorEaster
Originally posted by xxshadowfaxx
I didn't realize there was even a conspiracy surrounding infinity..... really? So what do we call things that appear endless? Oh and, whats the highest number we can count to?
Endless is not the same as infinite. Infinite extends in both directions. Endless only extends in one direction. Big difference between the two.
Count as high as you can..........Count in reverse from zero.......Is that not infinte??
Originally posted by NorEaster
Originally posted by BravoBull
reply to post by NorEaster
Are you talking about a mathematical concept of infinity? I think your intent was to "debunk" God, which is fine. You can say that God does not exist and you can say there is no evidence.
I'm sure you're very proud of your idea and your rhyme, but it is very light on substance. What do you call pi or an any irrational number.
The problem with the God debunkers or the atheist debunkers is that it is predicated on the assumption that they have all the information to validate their positions, but what I've learned is that the more I know, the more I realize I don't know. It doesn't really matter one way or the other. It is the journey that matters and the journey is really what is in the now. Which I think you alluded to in your rhyme at the end of the video. It seems that you have some good ideas, or I should say that I think agree with some of your ideas, but your initial premise and the judgmental way you present it seems a little incongruous, but that is only MHO. Maybe I'm not understanding what your point is. If your point is that these concepts are just words to categorize, quantify and describe what the rational mind can't really comprehend, then I agree. But the mathematical concept of infinity is a different matter and you seem to blur the 2.
Originally posted by mOjOm
reply to post by NorEaster
Ok, so you're talking about "Physical Infinite". In that case I would also agree with you. Sorry, if that was stated within you video, I honestly only made it through about half way before I stopped watching it since I didn't see how or when it was going to get to the part about infinity. I'll try watching it again though.
Have you considered that the reason there cannot be a physical proof of infinity is simply because we are also confined within the finite limits and therefore so must all your measurements be as well. This of course would still have no effect upon the fact that within our finite reality there would still be no space for an infinite, but going beyond our physical limits of reality infinity might possible or even necessary. From our point of reference everything breaks down at the point where infinity enters the picture, but we still find it in our measurements of real physical things such as black holes. The problem is once it is found that concludes our ability to quantify it in some real way.
Originally posted by spy66
Energy is not infinite, there by it can be created and destroyed.
The only true infinite is the absolute neutral state.
Originally posted by NorEaster
There's a thing called relative context, and only "like" things can share relative context. In the most disparate examples of "like" things, only the fact that both things exist in a relative being state makes it so that they have any "in-kind" association whatsoever, but in the case of finite and infinite things, that alone would be more than could be shared by both to allow for any association or interaction whatsoever. There is no identity attribute that is more primordial that "being state", and this being the case, if something were to actually be infinite - in what that actual description would insist - then its being state would have to be considered "absolute" which is not compatible at all with anything that exists as "relative" in being state.
Keep in mind that since being state is the most primordial identity attribute that anything can have, the being state can't be altered. There's no means of accomplishing such a transition, and even if there was, the item in question would be completely and irrevocably stripped of all identity, which would render it existenceless, which is not something that can be survived by anything regardless of what it is. Once something ceases to exist, it ceases to exist forever. That might seem like a no-brainer, but most of this stuff is pretty simple wen you really examine it.
So an absolute (infinite) anything can never associate, interact, affect, or be affected by, a relative (finite) anything. This is extremely strict stuff, and only the human mind can even imagine such a being state contamination taking place. Reality isn't imaginative like that.
Originally posted by NorEaster
I'm sure you're very proud of your idea and your rhyme, but it is very light on substance. What do you call pi or an any irrational number.
Those numbers start. Infinity doesn't start.
Originally posted by NorEaster
Originally posted by Sublimecraft
reply to post by NorEaster
Unfortunately, I am unable to watch videos for the next 4 or so days (satellite uplink atm) but am interested in what you have to say.
Could you explain your hypothesis or point me to a link where you may have already covered it?
Thanking you in advance........
It involves establishing what the quantum actually determines, and applying it to the concept of infinite extension - which projects in both directions to infinite contraction as well as infinite expansion.
The quantum proved that infinite contraction (smallness) does not exist in physical reality, and that literally eliminated a full 1/2 of the infinite gradient (from small to large) in all manners of how that can be applied.
Originally posted by nerbot
reply to post by NorEaster
How do you explain fractals then?