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Canada Officially Cancels US F35 Purchase!!

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posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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The F-35 jet fighter purchase, the most persistent thorn in the Harper government’s side and the subject of a devastating auditor-general’s report last spring, is dead.

Last spring, Ferguson ignited a political firestorm when he reported that the top-line cost cited by the Conservatives in the 2011 election campaign – $9-billion for 65 planes, or $15-billion including maintenance and other life-cycle costs – was $10-billion below the Defence department’s internal estimate.


o.canada.com...

Why does Canada need to purchase these for NORAD missions, when Egypt was given billions of dollars in jets for free this week?


I always applaud us Canadians for standing up and the government actually listening. There has been a few cyber bills that were to be passed but Canada, with openmedia.ca, had tens of thousands of people sign petitions and they were stopped.

Our AB premier got caught spending thousands of dollars on trips, she had to pay it back. Toronto Mayor got caught taking 3,500$ from lobbyists and people spoke out and he got fire... and now, Canadians feels 15 billion can be spend elsewhere and well, it appears we won again!

It seems millions in lobbying is taken by US congress and no one is fired.
It seems dozens of cyber bills are being passed in the US, standing up doesn't matter.
It seems your governers and president are spending endless amounts of cash on vacations, nothing is changed.




Canada, f*ck yeah!




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posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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Egypt gets it free because they aren't considered 1st world and able to pay ...to hear our Government put it. On the other hand..Hey there Canada! That's a mighty fine treasury you have up there and so much available too! Hey, how about some nice new fighter jets to go with whatever else you never EVER use up there? We'll make ya a good deal and even throw in the first service free!



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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But I don't live in Canada. Can Canada adopt the U.P.?



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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I always applaud us Canadians for standing up and the government actually listening.


Hmm, I think you are giving a little to much credit. You do realize they have lied and misdirected any inquiry posed to them regarding this purchase?

I believe they are still omitting a lot of information pertaining to the details of the original contract for these planes.

People demanded answers and the government finally caved to it. I am not sure if that is worth applauding as I see that as a requirement for government not something we celebrate. Come to think of it, governments are so corrupt, perhaps we should applaud them for doing something one might expect the government should do…listen to its people.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by MDDoxs
People demanded answers and the government finally caved to it. I am not sure if that is worth applauding as I see that as a requirement for government not something we celebrate.


Yes, but they did provide this information to us (even though it took sometime).

If US wanted to give 60 million a year to Israel and the overwhelming majority thought the money would be rather spent at home, would the US gov't "cave" and not give them the money or weapons?

Oh wait..



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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My comment would be that with respect to military spending, you can not compare Canada to the US. The two countries are too different in this respect.

The billions of dollars for these fighter jets would be nothing to the US, but for Canada it is a major consideration. The fact it was such a large amount of money (relatively speaking) the government felt the need to decieve the country of the details...

Difference of scale.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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Now, only if we can cancel Stephen Harper.
He's a sell out, a puppet, and too sneaky for my liking.

I hope Mulcair continues on as opposition, he is so anti-Harper you got to love him.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 01:26 PM
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There was no official deal to kill, so it's not "dead". The contracts weren't going to be signed until 2015. In any case, this is a reopening of the program to replace the F/A-18, which means they may still get the F-35. If nothing else can be found to meet the requirements better than the F-35 then the contracts will be signed, and the aircraft bought.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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Yeah you'd think Mulcair was awesome, but he isn't.

Just another NDP shill. Ever since Jack died that party is taknig a turn for the worse, they are going to end up looking like Democrats in teh states.

The only party to vote for and support now is the green party.

~Tenth



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Yeah, Liz seems alright doesn't she, smart as hell too.
Unfortunately smart sensible politicians aren't necessarily the one who get votes, but she is doing better each election.
Imagine my dismay when I woke up one day and on TV Harper got his [s]licence to destroy canada[/s] majority.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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I'll never understand my countrymen in this regard. Why is it Canadians seem to have a problem with defense spending? In particular, it seems Canadians are content to have antiquated aviation equipment. How long will we be content to use out dated and dangerous sea kings? What about our leaky British subs? Now Canadians don't want to replace the CF-18?

What happens if we actually need modern fighters? It seems like most Canadians are all too content to rely on the country's positive international reputation and the military might of our neighbors to the south. As a nation we don't seem capable of understanding the importance of maintaining a competent defense force. What happens if Uncle Sam is stretched too thin to bail us out in the event of a war?

We're the laughing stock of the world when it comes to our military and nobody seems to care. While I don't support war or killing innocent people, I believe a nation should maintain a strong military defense just in case. It's not like the cost of the F-35's is going to cause people in our country to go hungry


Gone are the days when Canada took it's defense seriously and we led the world in avionics and fighter technology. It would seem people don't take their own national defense seriously anymore (or at least serious enough to give the government the green light to maintain a modern air force, however tiny).
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posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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I for one am happy that we have people who stand up in this country. We as Canadians have always been identified as peaceful loving people. We were always the guys in the blue hats restoring order, I for one don't know what happened when did we become a nation to police others.

Why do we as a country, with people who would scream from the hilltops to stop our idiot poiticians from bringing us to another theatre of war. Need new tools of war?, why do we need to be involved in the Corporate for profit domineering of the worlds resources? When will we ever need to defend ourselves from outside sources apart from our neighbors down south??? I personally feel never, no country wants war apart from Isreal and the United States of Amerika, in this world there economies run on it.

But we in Canada apart from Herr Harpers' Regime, at least the people I know would love to see all military spending cut and eventually abolished, what do we need it for, the borders in the sand recognized by the UN should never be crossed by anyone apart from defending your own, or travelling to others.

Why are we set on keeping the perpetual state of war running by continuing to arm ourselves and other nations, how does this make any sense what so ever.

Personal opinion the Amerikans have all the arms, them, and we will ever need. Is it like a who got a bigger dick party to have new toys that are basically useless to a nation that should not at the wills of its people be a lead in any war. We have so many issues in our socialist society entitlements and handouts to those with their hands out, how on earth is this even considered fiscally responsible. In closing I hope this does get scrapped, I want my taxes spent on things besides destruction of other is the name of capitalist ideals and agendas, I want there to be food on the tables and roofs over the heads of Canadians proper affordable healthcare and education long before I wanna see the CBC running a story about our couragous pilots (Sarcasm) bombing the hell out of a thrid world David with a handful of stones......

SaneThinking



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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That's because Canada has no enemies. We aren't interested in carrying on a military coup over the rest of the world like some of our allies.

There's no need to spend on defense that will NEVER be used.

I've been around for a long time and not once...have I thought to myself " Man, Canada really needs a bunch of defense to protect ourselves from our enemies".

It's just ridiculous.

~Tenth



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by SaneThinking
I for one am happy that we have people who stand up in this country. We as Canadians have always been identified as peaceful loving people. We were always the guys in the blue hats restoring order, I for one don't know what happened when did we become a nation to police others.

Why do we as a country, with people who would scream from the hilltops to stop our idiot poiticians from bringing us to another theatre of war. Need new tools of war?, why do we need to be involved in the Corporate for profit domineering of the worlds resources? When will we ever need to defend ourselves from outside sources apart from our neighbors down south??? I personally feel never, no country wants war apart from Isreal and the United States of Amerika, in this world there economies run on it.

But we in Canada apart from Herr Harpers' Regime, at least the people I know would love to see all military spending cut and eventually abolished, what do we need it for, the borders in the sand recognized by the UN should never be crossed by anyone apart from defending your own, or travelling to others.

Why are we set on keeping the perpetual state of war running by continuing to arm ourselves and other nations, how does this make any sense what so ever.

Personal opinion the Amerikans have all the arms, them, and we will ever need. Is it like a who got a bigger dick party to have new toys that are basically useless to a nation that should not at the wills of its people be a lead in any war. We have so many issues in our socialist society entitlements and handouts to those with their hands out, how on earth is this even considered fiscally responsible. In closing I hope this does get scrapped, I want my taxes spent on things besides destruction of other is the name of capitalist ideals and agendas, I want there to be food on the tables and roofs over the heads of Canadians proper affordable healthcare and education long before I wanna see the CBC running a story about our couragous pilots (Sarcasm) bombing the hell out of a thrid world David with a handful of stones......

SaneThinking


Tell that to the Chinese or the North Koreans if they ever decide to come knocking on BC's door. Where do you think they'd go in the event of a 3rd world war? Do you think they'd just let innocent little Canada chill and assault the U.S head on? Don't be naive.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
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That's because Canada has no enemies. We aren't interested in carrying on a military coup over the rest of the world like some of our allies.

There's no need to spend on defense that will NEVER be used.

I've been around for a long time and not once...have I thought to myself " Man, Canada really needs a bunch of defense to protect ourselves from our enemies".

It's just ridiculous.

~Tenth


I wonder how many Canadians felt the same way just before Hitlers rise to power?



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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no f-35s?
great now we won't have to buy aircraft carriors with extendo decks they can land and take off from too

Even if the flopmobiles could be made to fly straight, they would just get shot down with fiddy cent drones...
or the kind of missles alciaduh that harper has helped install in Liebya has apparantly gotten a hold of...

now to get rid of him and every zionist like him who has moled into our government too...
naw, that would be wishfull thinking
to much too fast I suppose



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:44 PM
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It's because Harper is seen as a war monger, we would have been in Iraq if he was PM at the time. And he can't wait it seems to get involved in a holy war.

Do I want a government in power that supports Israel at all costs, right or wrong and wants to spend billions on war equipment?

I agree though, we need to modernize our military, but it is my feeling and the feeling of other Canadians that he is really gearing up for a war, and instead of spending billions we don't have, low-balling the price is deceitful, we can't spend all our money on war machines, we have other important things to tend to.
It's a real hard issue, we need better stuff, but at what cost?

We as a country should keep to ourselves, it's cheaper that way.

Low quality post, I know.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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Grape or Cherry which flavour, I figure I might as well drink the same stuff so I can accept the propaganda parroted by those who wish to maintain a level of fear across North America. I for one do not fear people who without provocation would never usher in there own mutual destruction.

On top of that I personally feel with the blue water force the Amerikans have we will never have an actual land invasion, the Norad defense that we have and the Amerikan ability to intercept ICBM and track and be aware of incoming aircraft make getting items or people here fairly difficult.

As far as I am concerned living next to the world biggest bully and spreader of terror that the only threat we have is from the very same entity that provides us security and no amount of jets or arms can ward that future threat off, so I stand by the fact we don't need any more tools of war for a peaceful nation.

SaneThinking



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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That's a straw man argument.

There has NEVER been a situation similar to WWII, so you can't claim we need to protect ourselves against that. World War II was an entirely different set of circumstances that nobody could have seen coming.

At least not seen the need for vast military intervention by every 1st world nation on the planet at the time.

Prove to me that Canada requires the same kind of military as the US in the 21st century and I'll agree with you, but the reason we don't care about defense anymore is that there is nobody to defend against.

I'd rather them spend the money on high speed rail or to re-vamp healthcare or better yet our schools.

~Tenth



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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Rather then waste our time and efforts on Air offensive capabilities,
we should lean more towards having the highest-tier Anti-aircraft defense systems.



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