Aetna CEO Sees Obama Health Law Doubling Some Premiums

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by FissionSurplus

 

Actually what the Supreme court did was to give free reign to obama to tax every single American with Obamacare, and the taxes are piling as we speak, all the fees new increases and taxes are coming and they are going to hit us like a run away train.

Oh, don't I know it!! They shouldn't be surprised when a whole lot of people refuse to file taxes and refuse to pay. This may be why they hired a bunch of new employees for the IRS. 16,500 in fact, and quite a few of those will be "special agents" who are armed.

www.examiner.com...

People laugh when we say that we are in a police state. Just wait when they can't pay their taxes and they have armed IRS agents at their door, confiscating their property and escorting them to jail.

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I know, many think that they can get away with just paying the fees for not getting the healhcare, but the fees will increase so much yearly that you will end up paying more in taxes that paying for the insurance itself, the crocks have their backs cover.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

You are not alone in the criticism of how the government conducts itself. I'm right there with you. My theory would only work if things changed in America to the point that government was on a very tight leash.

But I think you can agree that our current system is completely corrupt and capitalistic healthcare is a failure as well.

I would posit that capitalistic healthcare works just fine, but we haven't really had it since FDR started messing with it. Every issue with healthcare, if you look deep enough, turns out caused by a governmental program, law, agency, or regulation.

just out of curiosity i would like to ask a couple questions

i have 3 kids, all of them are adults. 2 can't find jobs. the other is self-employed.
will they all have to pay for health insurance out of their own pockets, even if unemployed or self-employed?

Originally posted by undo
just out of curiosity i would like to ask a couple questions

i have 3 kids, all of them are adults. 2 can't find jobs. the other is self-employed.
will they all have to pay for health insurance out of their own pockets, even if unemployed or self-employed?

No, but they will have to pay a fine that is less than the premium. What they will do is pay the fine and then have the taxpayer pick up their insurance bills for them.

Today, you are not required to have health insurance. But beginning in 2014, most people will have to have it or pay a fine. For individuals, the penalty would start at $95 a year, or up to 1 percent of income, whichever is greater, and rise to $695, or 2.5 percent of income, by 2016.

For families the penalty would be $2,085 or 2.5 percent of household income, whichever is greater. The requirement to have coverage can be waived for several reasons, including financial hardship or religious beliefs.

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Obamacare is one big giveaway to the corporate insurance companies. By the time this completely takes effect, people will be wishing Obama was a socialist, instead of the fascist he is turning out to be!

Very true.
Fascists is exactly what they are.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by undo
just out of curiosity i would like to ask a couple questions

i have 3 kids, all of them are adults. 2 can't find jobs. the other is self-employed.
will they all have to pay for health insurance out of their own pockets, even if unemployed or self-employed?

No, but they will have to pay a fine that is less than the premium. What they will do is pay the fine and then have the taxpayer pick up their insurance bills for them.


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how does a person without a job pay a fine? are they crazy?

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by undo
just out of curiosity i would like to ask a couple questions

i have 3 kids, all of them are adults. 2 can't find jobs. the other is self-employed.
will they all have to pay for health insurance out of their own pockets, even if unemployed or self-employed?

No, but they will have to pay a fine that is less than the premium. What they will do is pay the fine and then have the taxpayer pick up their insurance bills for them.


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how does a person without a job pay a fine? are they crazy?

Crazy like foxes, they are!

A fool and his money are soon parted. We are the fools.

Your 401k is next in their sights. They will run out of paycheck to steal.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by undo
just out of curiosity i would like to ask a couple questions

i have 3 kids, all of them are adults. 2 can't find jobs. the other is self-employed.
will they all have to pay for health insurance out of their own pockets, even if unemployed or self-employed?

No, but they will have to pay a fine that is less than the premium. What they will do is pay the fine and then have the taxpayer pick up their insurance bills for them.


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how does a person without a job pay a fine? are they crazy?

Crazy like foxes, they are!

A fool and his money are soon parted. We are the fools.

Your 401k is next in their sights. They will run out of paycheck to steal.

was never rich enough for 401ks or anything of the sort. and all 3 of my kids are living at home with us, and none of them have welfare or unemployment or anything like that, so we're paying for all their expenses. we will have to pay for all three of their fines or what will happen to them? jail or something?

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I'm guessing that they will not want to put you up with free room and board, so probably no jail.

I'm sure they would rather garnish paychecks. If we have one at that point.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by undo

 

I'm guessing that they will not want to put you up with free room and board, so probably no jail.

I'm sure they would rather garnish paychecks. If we have one at that point.

that's my point, they can't garnish my kids paychecks, well, they can garnish one but he's soon to be out of a job as well. my daughter is working towards being able to work as a translator. she's learning chinese and japanese. but that's a ways off still. they can't garnish my hubby's paycheck since the kids are all adults. so what are they gonna do with people who don't have jobs to pay the fines?

reply to post by undo
If they can't balance the healthcare books, and they can't suck enough money from us, they will cut services and benefits I guess?
ETA: I hope they don't put us in jail.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by undo

 

If they can't balance the healthcare books, and they can't suck enough money from us, they will cut services and benefits I guess?

i don't think that answers the question as to what they will do with all the homeless and unemployed people who don't have the means to pay the fine.

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You're right, it doesn't.
I can't imagine that the American people will stand for the poor being put in jail for nonpayment of their healthcare fines.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by undo

 

You're right, it doesn't.
I can't imagine that the American people will stand for the poor being put in jail for nonpayment of their healthcare fines.

work programs maybe? what did they do during the depression ? wasn't there like work programs ?

reply to post by undo


There were work programs back the.

That would be an option for them, I suppose.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by undo

 

There were work programs back the.

That would be an option for them, I suppose.

There were work programs in the 1800s also. The employers provided basic health care, basic housing, they even fed you though the food wasn't all that great. There were some downsides like corporal punishment for misbehaving slaves; um I mean employees. We have similar programs in many prisons now too.

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Oh, none of this plan sounds good to me.
None of it.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

Are you really so naive that you can't recongize when insurance companies are fear mongering?

With the onset of healthcare, this behavior is more than predictable for these companies.

And you instantly took the bait, hook, line, and sinker.

Is it fear mongering when the increases are actually already occurring? Google it for yourself. People all over the country are complaining about huge spikes in insurance costs leading to many small companies and individuals losing what coverage they used to have. As the above poster mentioned, this was planned. The goal is single payer government controlled healthcare. Just look at the UK to see how that works out. Rationed health care will be the result in the end. AKA "death panels".

Boy - where to begin. Health insurance premiums have been being hiked at an alarming rate for years. This isn't about the new plan just Private Insurance providers taking advantage of people's ignorance.

A single payer system would solve a lot of problems for individuals and company's. 1) Worker's Compensation, VA health, Health aid to the poor, everyone would be covered from cradle to grave and this is a bad thing how?

Oh yeah, death panels. Well now health care (really sickness prolongation care) is actually a death panel based on your pocketbook (and don't give me that ** about poor people and it doesn't help me whining).

Yes everyone who works (above the table) will have to pay in - small business alone would see a reduction in operating costs due to univeral health coverage just from doing away with exorbantant WC rates.

Oh but we don't want illegals getting any help - they pay into the tax system - maybe not through Social Security but they paid Sales Taxes and other forms of taxes even though there actual wage is below the table.

I am so disgusted with people who are so angry and mean that they don't want anyone to have anything - except of course the 'self made' rich (who benefit more from taxes then anyone).

I would willingly pay higher taxes to cover everyone with health care. All medical care should be non-profit. The profit motive in medicine is EVIL. The whole idea of people making a profit (not a decent wage for a demanding job - but unearned wealth) on the suffering of others is repellant.

I suppose that spending more on the military so we can be safe is a wonderful way to spend your tax dollars - because THEY might just do something is a good idea.

I love the way that people show their compassion and love here a ATS. Merry Christmas - read your bible at all? The New Testament much?

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Thanks for spreading right-wing propaganda.

This idiot is a right-wing blabber machine that believes:

"the George W. Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations should be off the table, Americans’ retirement security and health care most definitely should [not] be.”

jonathanturley.org...

He also said that if the Democrats didn't majorly cut entitlements as part the Fiscal Cliff deal he'd "be forced to layoff workers".

As for his claims, he's full of #. Like everyone on the right that has REPEATEDLY predicted communist marxist market collapse is imminent he'll be shown to be wrong about this...

It's just another CEO carrying water for the "protect the 2%" agenda of the GOP... and they appreciate your help.

He's also the CEO of the Campaign To fix the Debt".

The Institute for Policy Studies claims that the Fix the Debt initiative is driven by business and is actually using the fear of going over the fiscal cliff “as a cover for tax-code changes that would damage our economy.” The institute found that Fix the Debt “has raised $60 million and recruited more than 80 CEOs of America’s most powerful corporations to lobby for a debt deal that would reduce corporate taxes and shift costs onto the poor and elderly.”