posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Cynicaleye
There were a lot of factors that lead to the horrific scenes that day, including police mistakes. However, there were many Liverpool fans who turned
up without tickets and were very drunk, this is verified by people who actually lived around the Hillsborough area. The Liverpool fans who attempted
to get in without tickets contributed to the disaster, and the drunken fans didn't help the situation either. This is being covered up now, it's just
not politically correct to suggest even a few fans on that day didn't behave like saints. The "always the victim,never our fault" attitude which seems
to exist amongst some Liverpool circles is very frustrating.
Like I said, the blame can't be pin-pointed, a lot of factors and mistakes from both parties. Bad management by the police, slow reactions and the
pens which ultimately killed the fans were all contributing factors which the FA and police were responsible for. Drunken and ticketless Liverpool
fans were also factors.
I don't think anyone doubts that football fans would enjoy an alcoholic beverage or two before a football match. I would dare say anyone who lives
near to a football ground witnesses this behaviour many time over a football season. This had gone on for many years at many games prior to the last
years of the 1980s. Police presence was a lot higher and a lot less fan friendly 24 years ago. So they should have known how to deal with it.
Rock concerts, festivals and nightclubs all have to deal with people who may be a rowdy and have been drinking. Why should April 15th 1989 have been
so badly organised and then that incompetency buried and hidden and lies spread by the media that hid the real truth for 23 years?
The ground did not even have a valid safety certificate, yet the English Football Association still deemed Hillsborough fit to host a cup semi-final.
They seem to have gotten off awfully lightly in this matter for such a glaring piece of incompetence.
As for Liverpool having an "always the victim,never our fault" attitude. Well you will find that exists in all walks of society across the world. If
it had not been for the supporters of Liverpool (who come from all across the world), the football fans of many other clubs (who knew it could have
been them) and their persistent attitude then this cover-up would never have been unveiled. So perhaps this persistence led to this rather unfair
I take your point about their being drunken fans arriving at the game. There undoubtedly were as there had been before. But this was nothing new to
deal with and the South Yorks police messed up massively. Otherwise why would 116 of the 164 statements from their own force end up being tampered
Hillsborough was about police and press lies and successive governments (both Conservative and Labour) who chose to protect the Establishment by
covering it all up whilst 96 innocent lives were lost in an incident that could have been avoided.
One good thing that did come out of it all was that football clubs and police attitude to the fans changed afterwards. Although it is a lot more
expensive to attend a game it is an awful lot safer.
edit on 14/12/12 by mirageman because: typos