Civil War in Michigan over 'right to work'?, page 1


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Topic started on 13-12-2012 @ 03:56 AM by spangledbanner
The protests in Michigan are pretty heated.

Fox News is outraged that the mainstream media seem to be downplaying the whole thing.

The Koch Brothers are linked to the group that had their tent pulled down. Fox is upset that no 'mainstream' news played this video of conservative comedian, Steven Chowder taking some punches.


Teamster, Hoffa is threatening Civil War over the whole thing.

It seems that protest and counter-protest side by side is a very bad idea. People are getting scared in America. People are getting very angry.

Anyone have an opinion on the 'right to work' stuff? I cant see why the unions are so angry. I guess they know this is pretty much the end for them.

And will we see civil unrest in Michigan over 'right to work'?
www.politico.com...
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reply posted on 13-12-2012 @ 04:14 AM by butcherguy
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He has only made things worse.

Agreed.

I would say that his words have been mildly inflammatory.


reply posted on 13-12-2012 @ 05:08 AM by Southern Guardian
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There's no evidence that these "right-to-work" laws do any good for anybody aside the bosses and CEO's of many of these businesses. Personally I don't think anybody should be forced to join a Union, but at the same time I don't think anybody should have the right to be singled out because they joined a Union, which is what these laws seem to do.

Unionized workers make up what? A total of 7% of the workforce in America? Unions are a fraction of the influence they've had and they continue to decline in influence dramatically, while income disparity continues to increase. What's going to happen once you weed out the final 7%? Seems like nothing much good has come out of killing off the unions over the last few decades. Compare how well of folks were back in the 70's when Unions were more prevalent as compared to today.

By the way, I'm not part of a Union myself, chose not to join one, but regardless, many of the Union folks I've met, Union leaders, seem to be down to earth. People love to point towards the negative actions of Unions in the past, as if corporations and private business hasn't had a negative history before?


reply posted on 13-12-2012 @ 06:33 AM by butcherguy
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If unions have so much to offer workers.....

What do they fear from a law that would allow workers to choose not to join a union?

Workers should be jumping at the chance to join a union, yet the unions only make up 7% of the work force. 7%? They must have a lot to offer, eh????


Imagine it, a law that says you don't have to join the 'club' to work at a job.... Just because the 'club' says you have to. It almost seems that the Constitution would have granted this right!
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reply posted on 13-12-2012 @ 06:43 AM by Rockpuck
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It has nothing to do with are unions "good or bad" .. it's whether or not someone should be forced into a union in order to perform certain jobs. "Right to work" simply means non-union paying workers can perform jobs previously restricted to unions. The whole union-blocking jobs thing is a remnant of the mafia days when Unions were (are?) organized crime. The only thing right to work does is remove the Unions extortion ability. My whole family is union, my wife is union .. unions are good. They are also bad. I think if I drew up a pro-con sheet it would be pretty equal.


reply posted on 13-12-2012 @ 09:40 AM by GeneralMishka
Look what the Unions have done to the kids, and some of these teachers are going on a 'sick out' over this legislation?


cnsnews.com...

CNSNews.com) - In the public schools in Detroit, Mich., according to the U.S. Department of Education, only 7 percent of the eighth graders are grade-level proficient or better in reading.


reply posted on 13-12-2012 @ 09:44 AM by butcherguy
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Look what the Unions have done to the kids

Oh, what do you mean, they've done a bang-up job.

A lot of the kids that do graduate high school find that they have to take remedial courses when they start college... Since they are not prepared for it by their fine high school education.


reply posted on 13-12-2012 @ 10:10 AM by Indigo5
Originally posted by spangledbanner
The protests in Michigan are pretty heated.

Fox News is outraged that the mainstream media seem to be downplaying the whole thing.

The Koch Brothers are linked to the group that had their tent pulled down. Fox is upset that no 'mainstream' news played this video of conservative comedian, Steven Chowder taking some punches.


Teamster, Hoffa is threatening Civil War over the whole thing.

It seems that protest and counter-protest side by side is a very bad idea. People are getting scared in America. People are getting very angry.

Anyone have an opinion on the 'right to work' stuff? I cant see why the unions are so angry. I guess they know this is pretty much the end for them.

And will we see civil unrest in Michigan over 'right to work'?
www.politico.com...
edit on 13-12-2012 by spangledbanner because: (no reason given)



Just an FYI - That video was heavily edited by Fox News. The guy who threw the punch was shoved to the ground before he threw the punch at Crowder....and the raw footage looks as if it could have been Crowder who shoved him to the ground.



Raw Footage here before fox editing it for rebroadcast and Hannity etc. You can see what they edited out. The man was shoved to the ground and Crowder was over him and it sure looks like Crowders hands are comming back up from shoving the guy to the ground. And Crowder immediately takes an offensive stance as if he knows whats comming...he shoved the guy down.

Second video down on this page...compare to the 37 mark on the fox video you posted. The guy was shoved to the ground by Crowder.

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com...
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