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Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by AeonStorm
The problem with suggestion - even in it's most extreme forms, is that a subject will not do what they do not want to do. No amount or combination of drugs, hypnosis, or suggestion can make a person cross their own, internally dictated moral threshold.
Originally posted by AeonStorm
I thought that to Heff, and it does make sense....but if you watch this episode you may question that observation. I always believed the same, but perhaps there are certain individuals who would go above and beyond what they would do....no matter what. There could be people who just cannot stop themselves.
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by AeonStorm
The problem with suggestion - even in it's most extreme forms, is that a subject will not do what they do not want to do. No amount or combination of drugs, hypnosis, or suggestion can make a person cross their own, internally dictated moral threshold.
Having said that ( possibly to the disdain of some members ) I will add...
The game stopped being How do you make someone do something decades ago. It evolved into How do you make someone want to do the thing you want them to do.
The movie Inception is a form of disclosure. It's allegorical. Just replace "dream" with "need" or "desire" and what is left is accurate.
It is quite elegant really.
~Heff
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by chasingbrahman
Milgram played upon not only authority but also upon curiosity in his study, I believe. The people were never positive that anyone was really being hurt. The idea that it was a test or experiment ( the participants were aware of this aspect ) opened the door for moral ambiguity. A subconscious and implied trust in those running the experiment.
In the post-experiment interview, Milgram asked the participants to rate how painful they thought the shocks were, the typical answer was extremely painful. Most of the subjects obeyed the experimenter, however the subjects did show obvious signs of an internal struggle, and demonstrated reactions such as nervous laughter, trembling, and groaning. These interviews confirmed that everyday normal people can cause pain and suffering to another person, under the right set of circumstances. Milgram also found the tendency of the teacher to devalue the learner, by saying such phrases as, “he is so dumb he deserves to get shocked,” which helped to interally justify the teachers behavior of continuing to administer the shocks. This experiment by Milgram has given a tremendous amount of insight into human behavior and obedience.
Originally posted by snowspirit
I think the people that can be hypnotized on stage are self confident enough, that they don't care about being made to look foolish.
Although, I've seen a couple of shows where some of the people were clearly faking, and others ended up very embarrassed. Maybe the ones that were embarrassed, thought that it wouldn't work if it was something that they wouldn't normally do. It comes back to trust again, both in ones self and others.
I can't be hypnotized. I don't trust anyone, including myself, to not do something weird.
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by AeonStorm
The problem with suggestion - even in it's most extreme forms, is that a subject will not do what they do not want to do. No amount or combination of drugs, hypnosis, or suggestion can make a person cross their own, internally dictated moral threshold.
~Heff
Originally posted by AeonStorm
reply to post by theghoster
Wow that's ... amazing. Thanks for summarizing some very interesting ideas to ponder.. I believe what you say to be absolutely true.
It just makes so much sense to me. And I can see the parts in play that can make it so that many individuals could fit that criteria.
Thanks!
-AS-