posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Cuervo
To be fair... don't creationists and evolutionists both base their beliefs in that concept? Either a creator created things from nothing or the big
bang created things from nothing.
No, not really the same thing. To elucidate very briefly:
The philosophical and theological concept of an "unmoved mover" goes back to Aristotle. It connotes an entity that is the cause of all movement in the
universe, but is, itself, neither moved nor moved upon by anything.
This is considered the primary cause of all things in the universe and has no cause in itself (an uncaused cause
). This unmoved mover
or uncaused cause
would have the essence of creativity in it and would, therefore, be capable of causing the universe, ex nihilo
So, that's a big pill for some to swallow, both theologically and philosophically. I, however, find it a bigger pill to swallow to believe that this
all just pooped itself out by accident out of a complete void of chaos or nothingness.
Those photographs are amazing. The complexity that they illustrate is, from my perspective, proof that there is an element of design, the work of some
uncaused cause - evident in it all. I cannot see how those irises could be just some massive cosmological freak accident. If someone chooses to
believe that it is all just that - some kind of coincidental happenstance - that it their privilege.
I used the unfortunate word "ignorance" in my first post (above) simply as a response Wertdagf's post. He (she?) called me
I am not ignorant.
I have thought long and hard about these matters, looked at both sides of the discussion. I have reached my conclusion
through a process of informed, studious thought. This is my position. If someone has a different position, they are entitled to it. I guess that
statement makes me intolerant as well as ignorant.
edit on 12-12-2012 by incoserv because: clarification