American power is in terminal decline

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posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 03:50 AM
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American power is in terminal decline
presstv.com

The US is on the way out as a hegemonic power.


That is the primary conclusion of a new report out of the National Intelligence Council -- a government organization that produces mid-term and long-range thinking for the US intelligence community.

Titled Global Trends 2030: Alternative Worlds, this 140-page study says emphatically that the “relative decline” of the US is “inevitable,” but adds that its future role in the international system is “much harder to project,”
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posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 03:50 AM
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It seems that America is terminal.

It also seems that US 'leaders' have no clue what they are doing. The powers that be have decided to go away from the Buch/Cheney 'Project for a New American Century'. It didnt work.

It seems that everyone agree's that America is losing its power. I wonder how long the Federal Government can keep the Reserve Currency Status.



presstv.com
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posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by spangledbanner
It seems that America is terminal.



From your linked source


China will surpass the US economically a few years before 2030, and regional players such as Colombia, India, Nigeria and Turkey will become increasingly important to the global economy.

The US role in this new world order is hard to predict because the degree to which it continues to dominate the international system could vary widely, the report says.

“The ‘unipolar’ moment is over and Pax Americana—the era of American ascendancy in international politics that began in 1945— is fast winding down,” the report says.

Despite that, the US most likely will remain “first among equals” in 2030, the report says.

The US will remain the only power “that can really orchestrate these coalitions, including non-state actors and state actors, to really manage, deal with these huge challenges and changes” the world faces, Burrows said.

While the report envisions the end of a unipolar world, and “the US can’t dictate,” Burrows said, “you can’t see any other power out there that can organize it.”


It's an interesting perspective.

As always time will tell though.

PEACE



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 04:21 AM
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the roman empire was unsustainable, the british empire became unsustainable, the otterman empire became unsustainable, what makes you think america consuming all of the worlds resources and outpacing their invasions will be sustainable.

you're buying, china is selling. they give you cheap trinkets, china takes cold hard cash. sound familiar.

china uses its surplus productions and sustains itself and uses hard currency to supplement what they need.

america borrows hard currency from the federal reserve to buy stuff from china.

the chinese make miracles out of rice, vegetables, pork and poultry, americans can't go 3 days without a big mac.

well don't blame yourselves individually. corporations unchecked greed and their bottom line is destroying america.

america needs $600 billion a year to create weapons straight of star trek, americas "enemies" wear robes and herd sheep.

the others are focusing on their economy and domestic issues, america is focusing on maps and running out of countries to invade.

america's greatest strength, the pacific and atlantic oceans defending it, are also the worlds greatest asset.

it will allow america to implode without taking the rest of the world with it.

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posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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Same report different slant


Asia will wield more global power than the US and Europe combined by 2030, a forecast from the US intelligence community has found.

Within two decades China will overtake the US as the world's largest economy, the report adds.

It also warns of slower growth and falling living standards in advanced nations with ageing populations.

Global Trends 2030, issued to coincide with Mr Obama's second term, says it aims to promote strategic thinking.

Published every four years, the report from the National Intelligence Council (NIC) aims to draw together a wide sweep of "megatrends" driving transformation in the world.


BBC

Not so much the decline of the US but the rise and global domination of Asia in the not too distant future. Oh well - what goes around comes around.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 05:06 AM
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The report says the US will be "first amongst equals". Isnt that in Animal Farm?
Something similar.

It also says the US will be superpower even though it will not have the largest economy. Maybe that is true because China is still finding its way, or crossing the river while feeling for stones with their feet or whatever. The US has more friends.

Money does talk though.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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The way we're going as a country, 2030 seems mighty optimistic!

But we are better prepared (as a nation) for the zombie apocalypse.




posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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Honestly I worry more about Chinas future than the US. They have some very very hard times coming and how they respond could throw the Asian Pacific region into chaos. That of course is bad for the US and everyone else.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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Very well put.

I couldn't have said it better myself..



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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The real reason for the rise and fall of empires is their moral standing before God.



Righteousness exalts a nation,
but sin condemns any people.


Both Britain and the US were given great blessings when they were the source of spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ throughout the world. These days it is difficult to find genuine christians in these nations. China has more christians as a percentage of their population and so they are on the rise.

A recent Barna poll shows that only 4% of Americans have a Biblical worldview and if you go into a supposed Bible believing church that only rises to 10%. Some denominations, like the catholic church actually suppress christianity, reducing the number with a christian worldview down to 1%.

Basically those without a christian worldview, but claim to be christians relegate Jesus to the status of Santa Claus or the tooth fairy, with regards to how much effect it has on their lives.

The moral collapse in America has brought God's judgment. So we are given evil presidents like Obama and the populace is easily brainwashed and swayed by appeals to their sin nature such as greed and envy (e.g. punish the wealthy, make them pay their 'fair' share). We see an increased number of natural disasters and an increase in lawlessness.

America could easily be restored to greatness if there was genuine repentance. Perhaps that will happen once the Chinese cauterize our urban liberal hell holes with nuclear fire. I prefer repentance first.



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 05:09 AM
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I could not agree more. When the Roman empire stopped worshipping the Flying Spaghetti Monster, they too fell from grace. Oh wait... no actually that happened when they TURNED TO CHRISTIANITY.
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posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 05:32 AM
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Well, you had your hundred years or so. Made some friends, made some enemies and made a lot of memories along the way. But did anyone really think it would last forever? Or like a 1000 year McReich full of flag waving, military supremacy and fast food?



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by SevenThunders
The moral collapse in America has brought God's judgment. So we are given evil presidents like Obama and the populace is easily brainwashed and swayed by appeals to their sin nature such as greed and envy (e.g. punish the wealthy, make them pay their 'fair' share). We see an increased number of natural disasters and an increase in lawlessness.

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America could easily be restored to greatness if there was genuine repentance. Perhaps that will happen once the Chinese cauterize our urban liberal hell holes with nuclear fire. I prefer repentance first.


Interesting. So your angry, vengeful God and His natural disasters and other punishments (lake of fire &c) are OK, if not to be applauded, but China's 'nuclear fire' is a bad thing?

Or are you saying you'd happily accept your American cities being wiped out by China's 'nuclear fire' if it creates a moral climate that you prefer. I think if you're willing to see millions of people wiped out if it introduces your favoured moral climate, then your moral climate is primarily made up of clouds leaking crap and a warm front of arse-gas.



posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 05:40 AM
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when you're sick, do you get in bed or run around in the cold telling everyone you're sick...making them sick too and giving yourself pneumonia before you die?

America fears a loss of power, becomes afraid, picks up it's guns and starts pushing people around.

Sometimes you need to rest by admitting that you can do no more and it's better to collapse and rest than push yourself and die. It's a chance for America to assess it's fears, lay low and prepare once again to face the world and all the things it worries about.

...but no, America gets sick and puts on it's work clothes, goes and infects as many of it's peers as it can to solicit a cure out of someone else... or simply so they don't have to be the only one fearing death, Now it's an epidemic with relapses and no one is getting well so America pours every ounce of energy left into the stigma of the illness by vehemently denying the illness and collapses into inner emotional and physical warfare as it's peers follow suit as the illness grows strong. No one can or will help each other in the end even though it might be the only thing left to save them.

Maybe American politicians should try making things *better for all* instead of *worse for everyone but themselves*

When are these people so concerned about power just going to join the rest of the world? the world that they deny and think they are so far above.

They think their # don't stink because they don't have to really handle any of it and they are some of the most wasteful, polluting and destructive creatures this planet has ever seen... yet everything they touch is clean and new.
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posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Interesting. So your angry, vengeful God and His natural disasters and other punishments (lake of fire &c) are OK, if not to be applauded, but China's 'nuclear fire' is a bad thing?

Or are you saying you'd happily accept your American cities being wiped out by China's 'nuclear fire' if it creates a moral climate that you prefer. I think if you're willing to see millions of people wiped out if it introduces your favoured moral climate, then your moral climate is primarily made up of clouds leaking crap and a warm front of arse-gas.


All judgment is unpleasant and not even God takes pleasure in punishing the wicked. Nevertheless no one gets away with anything ultimately in the end. I'm sorry if you can't accept what is now obvious. God judges nations.

As for the Chinese, I hate the fact that they are rapidly modernizing their military with gifts from our corrupt politicians, nor do I like the fact that their nukes are pointed at our cities. Nevertheless the cycle of judgment repeats and no one bothers learning the lessons of history. So this civilization will go the way all other libertine hedonistic civilizations have gone, into destruction.

All of the sick perverted illuminati culture in music and the movies will be forgotten. The sexual immoral who continuously flaunt God's law, with an ever increasing appetite for more perversion will be as stubble. Their talents will be lost for all future generations and forgotten. Once the Chinese use neutron bomb that Clinton gave them they will occupy your cities and many will go into concentration camps. When that happens I hope no one will wonder why God allowed this.

If God didn't judge us he'd have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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Care to adress my post ?

Why did one of the most longlived empires on the face of the earth begin to crumble when they espoused christianity ?



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:23 AM
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Originally posted by SevenThunders

Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Interesting. So your angry, vengeful God and His natural disasters and other punishments (lake of fire &c) are OK, if not to be applauded, but China's 'nuclear fire' is a bad thing?

Or are you saying you'd happily accept your American cities being wiped out by China's 'nuclear fire' if it creates a moral climate that you prefer. I think if you're willing to see millions of people wiped out if it introduces your favoured moral climate, then your moral climate is primarily made up of clouds leaking crap and a warm front of arse-gas.


All judgment is unpleasant and not even God takes pleasure in punishing the wicked. Nevertheless no one gets away with anything ultimately in the end. I'm sorry if you can't accept what is now obvious. God judges nations.

As for the Chinese, I hate the fact that they are rapidly modernizing their military with gifts from our corrupt politicians, nor do I like the fact that their nukes are pointed at our cities.


Well, you seem to be a fan of judgement. The East judges America in exactly the same way as America judges the East. Is there a reason China shouldn't have nukes trained on America? What's so special about America that it gets a free pass. After all, America has got a history of bombing other countries with this type of weaponry.

I'm sorry you don't like China having 'your' weaponry. They probably feel the same about you having gunpowder, bombs and rockets.


Nevertheless the cycle of judgment repeats and no one bothers learning the lessons of history. So this civilization will go the way all other libertine hedonistic civilizations have gone, into destruction.

All of the sick perverted illuminati culture in music and the movies will be forgotten. The sexual immoral who continuously flaunt God's law, with an ever increasing appetite for more perversion will be as stubble. Their talents will be lost for all future generations and forgotten. Once the Chinese use neutron bomb that Clinton gave them they will occupy your cities and many will go into concentration camps. When that happens I hope no one will wonder why God allowed this.


Maybe it is your God's will then that China bombs the crap out of America, maybe it's what He, in all his angry, petulant wrath wants. After all, America likes to pride itself in the way it exports its culture to the rest of the world. I agree with your angry SkyGod with this, most of it is either crap or fattening.


If God didn't judge us he'd have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.


Which makes you wonder why He was so willing to take on and destroy two small Iron Age towns, where the population would have totalled only 1000s, but is unwilling to take on a modern day Industrialised country of 300,000,000 not matter how much it wrecks the rest of the world, no matter how much pornography it churns out, no matter how much it exploits His church for their own gain? Think about it, how much 'sin' was tiny Sodom actually committing? Compared to America's pornography industry? Compared to the amount of homosexuals in San Francisco, LA, New York and so on?

Your SkyGod sure picks selective targets. Maybe your god is actually a little bit frightened of the USA? Maybe He knows the USA will push back when He starts to try and push them around?



posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 03:05 AM
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This is not a news really



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by Ismail
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Care to adress my post ?

Why did one of the most longlived empires on the face of the earth begin to crumble when they espoused christianity ?


Sure no problem. That culture evolved into the world empire known as Byzantium which thrived for 1000 years. The Roman empire itself from the time of Ceasar to the Goth invasion lasted how long? 400 years? Thus actually christianity prolonged Roman culture in the east.

The western church adopted the religion of pontificus maximus or the chief pagan priest of Rome. (That was his title.) The real question might be why has God tolerated the existence of the whore of Babylon for thousands of years? The foretold end of the whore is coming soon fortunately.

If I care to speculate, I think God fragmented western civilization to give a chance for authentic christianity to flourish after the reformation, in places like Switzerland, Germany, England and the US. Now God's spirit is moving in other countries in Africa and Asia and is abandoning the post christian West. In this way all the world will come to know Christ prior to the end.



posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Which makes you wonder why He was so willing to take on and destroy two small Iron Age towns, where the population would have totalled only 1000s, but is unwilling to take on a modern day Industrialised country of 300,000,000 not matter how much it wrecks the rest of the world, no matter how much pornography it churns out, no matter how much it exploits His church for their own gain? Think about it, how much 'sin' was tiny Sodom actually committing? Compared to America's pornography industry? Compared to the amount of homosexuals in San Francisco, LA, New York and so on?

Your SkyGod sure picks selective targets. Maybe your god is actually a little bit frightened of the USA? Maybe He knows the USA will push back when He starts to try and push them around?


If there were 10 righteous men in Sodom God would have spared it, as he promised Abraham. Those who did love God were given a chance to flee. Because there is still a remnant of righteous, even in a place as dark as San Francisco (and I know a few of them personally), he stays his hand. Eventually the time will be right and judgment will surely fall. It will also come upon the whole world, so don't rejoice overly when the US falls.

You sure have a problem with Yaweh don't you. I wonder why? What did God or his son Jesus do to offend you? Was it his willing sacrifice for your sins on the cross, or was it the fact that he sustains the entire universe so that it may hold your life?





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