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Something super weird is going on with the Oregon shooting....

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posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by jacktorrance
reply to post by CosmicCitizen
 


Jacob Tyler Roberts.

They just released it.


If that's confirmed then somebody tell me why 3 very off shootings are all in reverse alphabetical order???

Jared Laughner
James Holmes
Jacob Roberts




posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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I used to live right next to it in milwaukie/clackamas mall, not sure if there was a century theater, but being around, portland,milwaukie,seaside,beaverton, seems pretty weird



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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Reading way too much into this.

People in general are stupid & copy what they see. They are easily influenced and they imitate what they hear, admire & see.....like monkeys. Every kid that plays first person shooters knows what a bullet proof vest is. Given the choice in those games, what is the most used weapon?...Do they pick the automatic (Or sub-automatic) rifles or the trusty hand guns?...that's right, the assault/automatic rifles. They want to be badass. And these clowns are no different. Likely picked on as kids and teased and made to feel inadequate as men....they are overcompensating and living out their "Call Of Duty" fantasies. Nothing more, nothing less.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Some people are just f---ing nuts.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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I just saw it....Jacob Tyler Roberts. The 3 names of the mass shooters are interesting (not just that they start with "Ja..."); they are all three names from the religious books of three major religions: Jared = Book of Mormon; James = New Testament; Jacob = Old Testament (Torah). They are in reverse order from when their underlying books were written. Are there any Muslim names that begin with "Ja"? IF so, that will probably be next.

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posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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this may have already been posted, but speaking about so many different stories.

Look at this report of the aurora shooting?
www.cbsnews.com...

totally different story...
not trying to troll or anything, just working while posting. So doing side searches.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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One thing that is weird about these is that there is always a "rehearsal" of the exact event before it even happens.




The sheriff said the gunman was also hindered in his efforts to kill more people by a fast police response, quick thinking from shoppers and a recently-rehearsed mall lockdown. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebookl





A Colorado university just 16 miles away from the site of Friday morning’s deadly ‘Batman’ massacre staged an identical exercise the very same day in which students were trained how to react to a gunman firing at people in a movie theater. Read more: www.infowars.com...



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by Unidentified_Objective
Reading way too much into this.

People in general are stupid & copy what they see. They are easily influenced and they imitate what they hear, admire & see.....like monkeys. Every kid that plays first person shooters knows what a bullet proof vest is. Given the choice in those games, what is the most used weapon?...Do they pick the automatic (Or sub-automatic) rifles or the trusty hand guns?...that's right, the assault/automatic rifles. They want to be badass. And these clowns are no different. Likely picked on as kids and teased and made to feel inadequate as men....they are overcompensating and living out their "Call Of Duty" fantasies. Nothing more, nothing less.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Some people are just f---ing nuts.


So James copied Jared and Jacob copied James who copied Jared then.....?

If this guy is 17, then I'll say when I was 17 the hardest thing for me to do was try to get a gun, let alone a long gun - with at LEAST an extra clip AND a BPV... Oregon 17 is interesting..



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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Well, let's see.

This Monday-

The James Holmes defense team asked for the notebook that was reported found even before the contents were opened to be given to them.

Side note- The police officer admitted that he was careless and didn't use gloves when handling the notebook.
There was burnt money in the notebook.

Colorado massacre suspect James Holmes asked for notebook back

Movie massacre: Defense challenges police on suspect's notebook

Just thought I'd share in case this took the headlines of the notebook away.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by unphased
 

I just saw it....Jacob Tyler Roberts. The 3 names of the mass shooters are interesting (not just that they start with "Ja..."); they are all three names from the religious books of three major religions: Jared = Book of Mormon; James = New Testament; Jacob = Old Testament (Torah). They are in reverse order from when their underlying books were written. Are there any Muslim names that begin with "Ja"? IF so, that will probably be next.

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There are some arabic names frequently used by muslims, that being with JA.


Jamil
Jahid
Jalal

There are many more but I can't think of them off top.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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"I am the shooter"...the shooter's mantra may have been a verbal trigger given to him by his handler which he recited and then went into a pre-programmed trance.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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Jalil and Jamal also I believe....thanks for posting the names.
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posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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You're telling me.

I know it's been discussed, but I love the way they release all three names when it's tied to a lone gunman.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by Unidentified_Objective
Reading way too much into this.

People in general are stupid & copy what they see. They are easily influenced and they imitate what they hear, admire & see.....like monkeys. Every kid that plays first person shooters knows what a bullet proof vest is. Given the choice in those games, what is the most used weapon?...Do they pick the automatic (Or sub-automatic) rifles or the trusty hand guns?...that's right, the assault/automatic rifles. They want to be badass. And these clowns are no different. Likely picked on as kids and teased and made to feel inadequate as men....they are overcompensating and living out their "Call Of Duty" fantasies. Nothing more, nothing less.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Some people are just f---ing nuts.


Your on the wrong website then, no?



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Cinrad
I was wondering what ceremony the dark powers had organized for today, however, is it 12/12/12 in the US yet? I think it is still 11/12/12 there.


I haven't read the whole thread yet, so maybe someone else has played around with these numbers.

December 11 2012

12 11 12

121 121

I don't know,



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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From the Clackamas Sheriff's Department Press Release

"Prior to beginning his attack, the suspect parked his vehicle in the mall's south lot, near Macy's. He then moved north on foot through Macy's towards the food court. He then opened fire, fatally wounding two victims. Crime Scene Investigators also found indications of additional bullet strikes throughout the food court area.

Next, the suspect is believed to have moved east -- past the Macy's Home Store and into a service stairwell.

Moving down onto the lower floor of the mall, he continued east towards JC Penney's, where he was found dead by responding law-enforcement personnel -- 22 minutes after the first 911 call."

www.oregonlive.com...



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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There are bound to be similarities with other shootings. There are also other shootings that this case has nothing in common with (Except the killings). Am I saying there's no chance that some evil force (Whether government & such) is behind this? No. But let's look for more plausible explanations.

I picked on a fat kid in Jr. High. True story. Me and my cousin would wait by the corner near the baseball fields after school because all kinds of girls would be walking that way. One day this fatass says something to me along the lines of "Wannabe cassanova" or something and tries to make fun of us. Way out of left field. I never even knew this kid or messed with him so, I did the reasonable thing and punched him dead in the jaw and put him on his back. We took his backpack and threw everything out in the street. One day I took his wallet, took the money, and thew it way on the roof of the music building (LOL) ...This continued for about a year or so and last week of school he says "I'm going to f---king shoot you and all of your friends.". Guy brought it on himself but, he threatened to come to school and cut everyone down
...Guess what? His name was Jason. Perfectly common boy name in the United States. His dad (Who I heard was dead back then) was a customs officer so they had guns at home. Now, had he shot up the school would that make him some kind of government mind-control experiment? No. Just a fat kid that was mad at the world and had access to guns.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by unphased

Originally posted by jacktorrance
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Jacob Tyler Roberts.

They just released it.


If that's confirmed then somebody tell me why 3 very off shootings are all in reverse alphabetical order???

Jared Laughner
James Holmes
Jacob Roberts


Obviously they left secret codes so the Conspiracy theorists could figure it out...jeez.

Do you people really not see how ridiculous you sound?



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:49 PM
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Hello ATS.. My girlfriend and I were in the mall when the shooting happend. As she works in the mall, I met her durring her lunch break and we went into the food court to sit down and eat. A few minutes later he started shooting. He was on the second floor just outside of the Macy's store entrance and shot nearly 4-5 times in fairly rapid succession followed by a short break, and then more gunshots. From where we were seated, he was no more than 15 feet away. We managed to make it outside through the food court doors and into the crowd of people crying, shaking, some faint and managed to talk to several people immediately after the first shots were fired.

We spoke to a lady who said she was on the same bus he was on. She could describe him, in detail, as wearing all black and wearing some kind of mask with a skull pattern on it. I read today that investigators found his vehicle in the mall parking lot. However, I think it would be a bit of a stretch for the lady I talked to to imagine seeing this guy on the bus and tell a blatant lie in her panicked state. Maybe his car was already at the mall with the weapons, prior to him arriving; who knows.

I talked to another group of people that stated they saw him walking into the mall with two other people. One in standard army camouflage, and two wearing all black. Talking and listening to people outside, you heard that they saw someone shooting wearing either camouflage or dressed all in black leading me to believe there was more than one person involved. I don't know about you, but I think it would be very difficult to confuse "all in black" with "army camouflage"

The response time of local law enforcement was incredibly fast. We managed to exit the building in under 5 minutes and as we were leaving multiple armed law enforcement officers were already arriving and securing the scene. Within about 20-25 minutes the roads were blocked and various agencies were on site assisting.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by TheGreatest

Originally posted by Unidentified_Objective

Not everything is a conspiracy. Some people are just f---ing nuts.


Your on the wrong website then, no?

There's a difference between being on the lookout for conspiracies....and being stupid.
There are PAGES of comments wondering why someone would target malls and movie theaters FFS!



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by Overability
I talked to another group of people that stated they saw him walking into the mall with two other people. One in standard army camouflage, and two wearing all black. Talking and listening to people outside, you heard that they saw someone shooting wearing either camouflage or dressed all in black leading me to believe there was more than one person involved. I don't know about you, but I think it would be very difficult to confuse "all in black" with "army camouflage"

The response time of local law enforcement was incredibly fast. We managed to exit the building in under 5 minutes and as we were leaving multiple armed law enforcement officers were already arriving and securing the scene. Within about 20-25 minutes the roads were blocked and various agencies were on site assisting.


Conflicting eye witness testimony is very poor evidence of a conspiracy and is actually EXPECTED in a situation like this. When you hear gun shots going off, the last thing on your mind is to get a good description of the shooter. Your one and only priority is to get away and hide. They're in a state of shock. He had a mask on...how the F would they know who he was with when he was walking in? Because he probably wasn't' wearing a mask when he walked up to the building. Maybe, he walked sort of close to people so as to not arouse any suspicion of himself.

That sounds exactly right for a police response time to this situation. They do respond "incredibly fast" to things like this, especially with all the cases that have been happening the past few years.
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