Something super weird is going on with the Oregon shooting....

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posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 12:13 AM
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They gave him the vest so he would feel confident that he would survive his 'mission' and go through with it. He was probably worried about CCW holders taking him out, so the cops gave him the vest, assured him he would be OK, sealed the mall off, then shot him in the head.




posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 12:15 AM
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Last night I heard some witnesses on TV say there were security guards, and he just ran through the Macys.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 12:17 AM
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Have not read all of the posts but my feeling is these guys are being mind controlled by someone to do this..Who i am not sure maybe Government?..Why i am not sure....To put fear in people?..



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
He didn't get them in unnoticed. One of the "witnesses" stated they were sitting by the front door (of Macy's),
and saw him with the gun slung over his shoulder like a "backpack".
Whatever that means. A back holster maybe?

So no attempt to hide it.
Stores like Macy's hire their own store security during the holidays soooo, don't know how that got by without raising some eyebrows.


I saw that, after posting. That is even more odd.....walking through an entire large department store, with a visible gun? Do we have any reports that maybe people called that in, before the shooting started? That might explain the fast response time....though not sure about four SWAT teams. Do you have a link for that? That detail wasn't in the reports I read and heard.


Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
There were several different descriptions given by other "witnesses".
There were reports in the beginning of three people.

It seems very possible to me that they were dressed in the alternate outfits.
But, left and for all I know and suspect came out and started giving the narrative to the press.


It seems odd that the woman who reports seeing him and a gun (SO visible) didn't report seeing others with him. Have to wonder....who is telling the truth? Maybe she's a phony witness....

If there were others involved, and I think there were, then they had to have blended in to the shoppers, and taken off. Only question is, where did their guns go? Why do I think more than one? Well, as I stated in another post, the ONLY time my M-16 jammed in Basic was when we fired blanks. My buddy and I did that at a grenade range, and about two magazines in would do it. 60 shots, and his gun reportedly jams? Maybe the shots that hit people didn't come from his gun.


Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
It seems like a straight up role-playing game that is being passed off as "live" for the propaganda value.
There is no way that 4 SWAT teams showed up in about a minute which is what the Sheriff said and what
witnesses said.
That doesn't happen unless they were already in on the action.


Yeah....that's really odd. Seems clear at this point that the press can't be trusted (any of them) since no one seems to be questioning any of this script!


I was listening to KXL livestream and posting on here as they spoke. They were using local news reports on the half hour and FOX news (Mike Ditka?) reporting. Several times they made a point of saying 4 SWAT teams of about a hundred LE were on the scene in about a minute.

That's interesting about blanks jamming a gun. That's what I think they were using. They may have spread shells around on the floor. It's just that the reason I use "witness" in parentheses, is I too, found the people and the tales they were telling as very suspect.

If it is a situation where there is once again a single cellphone video taken, it seems to have been taken during the live shooter training exercise they held at this mall earlier. But, who knows?

Major media has zero credibility in my mind.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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Ghost that's just it... it's not any one thing it's the entire gestalt surrounding the event that creates the suspicion many of us feel right now.

If you look at any ONE part of the story it's ALMOST believable, but then you take one big step back and look at the world at large and the agendas in play (some of which seem to be multigenerational plans which is just downright frightening, so frightening that many people open the pandora's box take one look and slam the lid shut refusing to ever acknowledge or prepare for what was seen within) and the situation does start to make sense.

I can't give you a smoking gun... if I could believe me I would! But refusing to see the big picture that frames this incident or the dozens of little inconsistencies and weirdness surrounding this shooting (and the James Holmes shooting as well) and then measure it against operations we have clear and indisputable documentation of and you start to see a picture that is not at all fun to think about.

All I'm saying is take a look at what I've said and think about WHY I've chosen to focus on the things I have and WHY I've chosen to try to bring your attention to other tangentially related issues and situations.

I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT tie this all up in a neat little package and present it for you gift wrapped all I can do is point you to many of the things I noticed and why I noticed them.

(also another interesting coincidence between this and the batman incident... gun jam ends the active shooting... one or two or even three or four coincidences I could write off but all of the coincidences we are expected to swallow in this case are giving me indigestion)
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posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 12:36 AM
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Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by jacktorrance
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Why is it scary that people are making connections?

My point is they are NOT making connections and there aren't a ton of crazy coincidences.

People just keep saying and repeating there are a bunch of coincidences but they are NOT listed in this thread.

I don't know what you people are seeing. Please quote or explain the crazy coincidences you are seeing.
There's a couple of laughable connections, like they both used guns.... but that's all there is in the thread.



In both cases, the same theater is seen.

In both cases, people reported seeing multiple suspects.

In both cases, descriptions varied, possibly indicating multiple suspects.

In both cases, some sort of "training scenario" was carried out recently.

Both shooters (and the Arizona one) have five letter names that start with J.

In both cases, what people see, and what the authorities state, doesn't seem to add up.

In both cases, we have a witness couple, that seems to get a lot of interviews.

In both cases, the suspect is said to have shouted, "I am the ______." Joker, in one, shooter, in the other.

I am certain I have left something out, but that's a LOT more than just two shootings at, or near, two theaters.

ALL of that is in the thread.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by unphased
So you mean to tell me the guy is a SHOOTER....... yet he fired 60 rounds and only hit 3 people....??????


The ONLY way I buy that is if he was loaded up with blanks....that can and DO make a rifle jam.

But really, nothing going on here. Keep walking. Don't think. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.


Either someone is totally stubborn, or someone is a disinfo agent.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
I was listening to KXL livestream and posting on here as they spoke. They were using local news reports on the half hour and FOX news (Mike Ditka?) reporting. Several times they made a point of saying 4 SWAT teams of about a hundred LE were on the scene in about a minute.

That's interesting about blanks jamming a gun. That's what I think they were using. They may have spread shells around on the floor. It's just that the reason I use "witness" in parentheses, is I too, found the people and the tales they were telling as very suspect.

If it is a situation where there is once again a single cellphone video taken, it seems to have been taken during the live shooter training exercise they held at this mall earlier. But, who knows?

Major media has zero credibility in my mind.


I went looking for a link about the SWAT teams, and thought I had found something...
files.abovetopsecret.com...



...but then, I found the article was, apparently, altered, and no longer mentioned the number of SWAT teams....



Curious, eh?

Yeah, the jamming thing made me remember that business. We had a terrible time keeping fire going at that range. Two of us, and every other mag or so, we would jam up, and have to clean the rifles. Blanks will do that. That I KNOW, firsthand.

Plus, all this, and ONE cellphone video? ONE? That's hard to believe. That one, I saw, with the women walking. All women, no kids, virtually NO ONE else there, and they looked like they were acting. The "hands up" routine looked staged, and sheesh, why would shoppers need to do that anyway? Save, of course, the one taking the video...... I saw that one, by the way, on Fox, online, in a set with two other videos on the shooting (attached to an article), and NONE of that mentioned an exercise, so they were at least presenting it as part of the events that day.

I haven't seen any witness interviews yet, or heard any, but really want to now. Pretty good at seeing through lies. This whole thing is suspect.

Well, out for a short bit, but back to the thread soon.

(OK, peeps, sorry, but the first pic keeps loading, then vanishing; no idea why. Posting the link and the pic code, so you can see it, if it goes again.....)

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posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:00 AM
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On top of the tactical vest, why would he wear a mask if he intended to kill himself?? Because the cops told him he'd be fine, then they sealed off the mall, shot him in the head, and claimed he committed suicide.
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posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:01 AM
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His facebook has disappeared
like it was there 4 hours ago before I went to work now.......now he's gone like like it never happened or he never existed............



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:08 AM
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WOW it couldn't be because it was deleted so arm chair detectives and trolls don't save it all and post all over it


Masks




Anonymity allows people to disassociate personal consequences with their actions. People tend to lose inhibition when anonymous. Masks allow anonymity. As an anecdotal example, see any anonymous internet forum ever.


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posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:37 AM
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Sorry to keep blasting this thread with my stream of thoughts, but I keep hearing new things that support my theory a few posts back. If anything else falls into place, I'll start a new thread. So, I heard he posted on FB that he was going to Hawaii?? So the cops/CIA/Brady Campaign/TPTB/Piers Morgan...etc. whoever, offered him a bunch of money to do this. He obviously thought he'd live through it and spend that dough in the islands! Don't forget how deep this rabbit hole can get. With James Holmes, the local & federal authorities, the media, the Arapahoe county judge, his public defender, the university, the prison, the "witnesses", and those nurses who treated patients that did not drown were all given one piece of the puzzle.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:56 AM
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Well, here in Australia we had an event at Port Philip of a lone gunman, and there were other random shootings but it all boiled down to what the government were trying to do, and have succeeded, and that was to get rid of guns in Australia. Now, and as before the gun regulations, you don't here much at all. Sure there are the occasional shooting which are usually related to mobsters, drugs etc, but someone just going off their nutter, none...not one...zilch. So I would say that that is what is happening to you guys in the states....they want to disarm you as they want to disarm all the world so it's easier to take it over with little resistance, the germans did it during WW11, seems to happen just before a take over. So hang on to your guns and don't let them take them. Peace.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 03:04 AM
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I wouldn't go as far as to say there were 10,000 people there that day, but it was very busy and has been since the shopping season began. When the shots were first fired, everyone in the food court left all of their belongings behind. Jackets, wallets, baby strollers, everything was left behind. I had to get someone to pick me up so I could get a spare car key before moving my car last night. My girlfriend and I went through there tonight to drop off coffee to the officers standing outside blocking all of the entrances and there were still allot of cars in the lot, but having been there myself my guess is people can't move them because they don't have additional means to do so. Not a single item of property has been allowed to leave the mall and be returned. I myself am waiting to recover all of my items left inside.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 03:33 AM
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In the east handlers used suicide bombers. In the west handlers use lone gunmen. Both learn their skills from synagogues of Satan. End justifies the means. America we are under attack from the inside. Our government is bought and the only thing to save the people is we the people . We must cross the Rubicon to hault the assault.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 03:36 AM
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very interesting... I am not in the US but I have seen some strange grafitti here (fairly new) = some kind of underground movement/weird stuff.

s & f for the OP. good to see there are still some people awake in Oregon!



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 03:41 AM
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yeah media at its best... this is just as suspect as when the UK reporter reported building 3 had collapsed whilst it was clearly seen in the background still standing!!

media lies.




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posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 04:54 AM
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Maybe will be getting groped at the malls and movies next and not just at the airport.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 05:38 AM
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Oh? Why did people leave their purses and strollers and even more inconceivable men's wallets and car keys also?
I say that because it was a male "witness" who said that he and his gf left their wallets there and ran to a nearby apartment complex ( where they did not live).

Weird phenomena going by the sheer number of cars left after the incident in the parking lots.

Were they ordered on buses and driven away in some cases by LE?



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by Sandalphon
The super weird thing is that it's happened.

Big guns in a social area close to obligation holiday season. Another guy fell under a spell from something evil and went video gamer in real life with real weapons.

People are hiding scared because they don't have panic buttons by the cash registers in the stores like they ought to have. We need flashy things in the malls now too, for emergency evacuations.

The guy wore a mask. I don't care what they say it was, Anony-mask, Jason-mask, ski-mask, even the Scream mask, it doesn't matter. Someone planned an evil thing and went through with it. Maybe he didn't have a date for Christmas dance, I don't know. After the fact of shedding blood, I don't care what the excuse is, it'd be a lie. You go that far, enchanted or not, there will be consequences.

Maybe there were three guys. Maybe it was one. Maybe it was a couple dozen gun hobbyists and one psycho that ruined them all.

I know for sure, in conspiracy-ville, the details will be muted to keep copycats from doing it again. Of course this guy will have a history of having a life that resembles something normal, and some of ATS's readers may have known him or them. Maybe he's in the high school yearbook for "most likely to go psycho in a mall".

Today I'm blaming video games not guns.

What a year, and the world isn't even over yet.



Did someone report that they didn't have panic buttons by their registers? That's odd. I was a retail manager for many years (up until 2 years ago) and there was always a panic button by the register. There was also one in my office in case someone came in through the back.

This probably wasn't communicated to the staff, however. Also, in a panic your mind may forget exactly where that panic button is.





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