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Something super weird is going on with the Oregon shooting....

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posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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So he walked all the way through Macy's without shooting anybody?

Either he didn't see anybody, nobody saw him, or this is sounding more and more like some kind of hit...




posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 04:54 PM
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They dont call it program and programming to be cute


Try not being programmable due to a memetical error......very lonely place but very entertaining at the same time.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Unidentified_Objective
I picked on a fat kid in Jr. High. True story. Me and my cousin would wait by the corner near the baseball fields after school because all kinds of girls would be walking that way. One day this fatass says something to me along the lines of "Wannabe cassanova" or something and tries to make fun of us. Way out of left field. I never even knew this kid or messed with him so, I did the reasonable thing and punched him dead in the jaw and put him on his back. We took his backpack and threw everything out in the street. One day I took his wallet, took the money, and thew it way on the roof of the music building (LOL) ...This continued for about a year or so and last week of school he says "I'm going to f---king shoot you and all of your friends.". Guy brought it on himself but, he threatened to come to school and cut everyone down
...Guess what? His name was Jason. Perfectly common boy name in the United States. His dad (Who I heard was dead back then) was a customs officer so they had guns at home. Now, had he shot up the school would that make him some kind of government mind-control experiment? No. Just a fat kid that was mad at the world and had access to guns.


You're a terrible person.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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I want to know where the other two shooters ran off to....

I also want to know what happened to James Holmes' two roommates.

Maybe a connection....



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by TerrorAlertRed
I want to know where the other two shooters ran off to....

I also want to know what happened to James Holmes' two roommates.

Maybe a connection....

yeah, it means the media will report a story before they know the facts.
if it were a conspiracy, wouldn't they get the story straight so as to not arouse suspicion?



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by MissCoyote
this ENTIRE incident reeks of a horrible smell. the fact that this kid was a popular ordinary clackamas college student working at a gyro food place and got good grades in school to conflicting accounts as to what happened and an ar-15 jamming and reloading and *facepalm i wanna see what he was on. I WANT WHAT HAPPENED TO MAKE HIM SNAP I WANT THE LAST CALL MADE.


I agree....this stinks of bovine excrement. In about the 20 years I've owned various AR-15's, I've had them only jam about 2-3x and that was my fault. Now I seriously doubt this guy was as OCD as I am about my rifles but it appears to be quite a coincidence that both happen to jam during a mass shooting. I can totally see the high-capacity drum jamming (as in the first case) but not a standard 20-30rd PMAG as being reported for this one.

Not saying it didn't go down the way it did, it just seems rather odd.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by unphased

Originally posted by Ghost375

Obviously they left secret codes so the Conspiracy theorists could figure it out...jeez.

Do you people really not see how ridiculous you sound?


Says the guy attempting to insult conspiracy theorists and skeptics on a conspiracy theory website......

So all I'm doing is trying to insult people?? By saying what they're doing is ridiculous? Not much of an insult.

I'm trying to deny ignorance. The slogan of this conspiracy theory website....

Conspiracy theorizing can be done intelligently. And I'm going to call it out when it's not done so.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by TerrorAlertRed
I want to know where the other two shooters ran off to....

I also want to know what happened to James Holmes' two roommates.

Maybe a connection....

yeah, it means the media will report a story before they know the facts.
if it were a conspiracy, wouldn't they get the story straight so as to not arouse suspicion?


You mean like all the reports of additional explosions on 9/11 that were scrubbed from the news by 11am? So those explosions were nothin but the media reporting before they had facts too right..?



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by unphased

Originally posted by Ghost375

Obviously they left secret codes so the Conspiracy theorists could figure it out...jeez.

Do you people really not see how ridiculous you sound?


Says the guy attempting to insult conspiracy theorists and skeptics on a conspiracy theory website......

So all I'm doing is trying to insult people?? By saying what they're doing is ridiculous? Not much of an insult.

I'm trying to deny ignorance. The slogan of this conspiracy theory website....

Conspiracy theorizing can be done intelligently. And I'm going to call it out when it's not done so.


Or you could just avoid the thread, and save everybody your not-so-relevant opinion.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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The complete myriad of insane coincidences and just plain ridiculous "facts" surrounding the case that we are supposed to just swallow is way beyond me!

WE need to wake up the people pulling the strings aren't even TRYING to put together a believable narrative and backstory to the incidents they use to influence the public into outright DEMANDING that their freedoms be taken away.

Not only does this stink but the timing on dozens of levels just isn't right. Neither is the casualty count. Neither is someone walking in firing shots into the air and then declaring loudly "I AM THE SHOOTER".

Then there's the fact that the police are saying they did not fire any shots inside the mall yet it was plainly heard by an ats member that a bystander inside the mall pointed out a round on the ground. (unknown whether it was spent or live but why would you drop a live round on the ground and not immediately pick it up?) Now the interesting part is that when this was brought up over the in the clear radio channel the round in question was identified as a .223 round and was further identified as a "department" round not one from the shooter...

Also Note that even in the earliest reports coming out about this incident the only part of the story that didn't change was the press reporting that the shooter or shooters were using "Assault Rifles" and wearing "body armor" and most press agencies specifically identified the rifle as an AR 15 even in the early reports.

Now what you should find interesting about this is the fact that right now as we speak the obama administration and their allies inside the brady campaign are ramping up to try and gather the necessary support for a renewed and permanent assault weapons ban! And do you know what rifle is at the top of their list to ban?

Drumroll please..... THE AR 15!!!!

Now lets move on to how witnesses saying and the news from the first reports onward saying that the suspect or suspects were wearing BODY armor.... You will be interested to note that this part of Oregon is EXTREMELY liberal and VERY GUN AVERSE!!! (and before you ask how I could know that you should know that I live less than a mile down se 82nd avenue from clackamas town center!) Now with that said how many of those people do you think can differentiate between body armor and some sort of tactical vest when they have a split second to eyeball the shooter before they hit the dirt and or run in the opposite direction? I'll give you a hint probably not many of them could ID the difference between armor and tac vests.

But once again there is a growing movement to either highly regulate or outright ban civilian sale and possession of body armor. Now you tell me if this makes sense.... Not only do they want to take your guns but they also don't want you to have body armor... So you are expected to soak up whatever punishment your attackers can dish out with no recourse or ability to defend or protect yourself while you WAIT for the police to EVENTUALLY show up!

YEs this whole incident stinks to high hell ...

Oh and food for thought for those of you who are not averse to doing your own research and drawing your own conclusions I would highly suggest you look into two separate things. One is Neuro linguistic Programming. The other is Scopalamine aka Devil's breath... A combination of scopalamine and NLP could very easily explain the extraordinarily odd behavior of the current crop of rampage shooters including james holmes and the kid who shot the congresswoman....
edit on 12-12-2012 by roguetechie because: supplemental geographic information



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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The super weird thing is that it's happened.

Big guns in a social area close to obligation holiday season. Another guy fell under a spell from something evil and went video gamer in real life with real weapons.

People are hiding scared because they don't have panic buttons by the cash registers in the stores like they ought to have. We need flashy things in the malls now too, for emergency evacuations.

The guy wore a mask. I don't care what they say it was, Anony-mask, Jason-mask, ski-mask, even the Scream mask, it doesn't matter. Someone planned an evil thing and went through with it. Maybe he didn't have a date for Christmas dance, I don't know. After the fact of shedding blood, I don't care what the excuse is, it'd be a lie. You go that far, enchanted or not, there will be consequences.

Maybe there were three guys. Maybe it was one. Maybe it was a couple dozen gun hobbyists and one psycho that ruined them all.

I know for sure, in conspiracy-ville, the details will be muted to keep copycats from doing it again. Of course this guy will have a history of having a life that resembles something normal, and some of ATS's readers may have known him or them. Maybe he's in the high school yearbook for "most likely to go psycho in a mall".

Today I'm blaming video games not guns.

What a year, and the world isn't even over yet.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
"I am the shooter"...the shooter's mantra may have been a verbal trigger given to him by his handler which he recited and then went into a pre-programmed trance.


The demon's name is "the shooter" or "shooter". Find any deliverance minister that talks to these monsters before he casts them out, they have names. Spiritually speaking, it came from somewhere.

Brainwashing technicians, hypnotherapists, some psychologists, they know about these ego states of mind, they have names. These names can be used in neurolinguistic programming, if you can't take the religion method, and can get triggered to take over an individual's consciousness. It doesn't happen overnight. For it to happen so big, it's got to be layered in, stage after stage, for weeks, until (well it's 12-12-12) there is an "activation" of something. Then the individual's mind can't compensate for it and they can't blow off steam through normal ways out, of safe catharsis like sex or drinking or partying or crying or exercise or art or talk or role playing, so they put it into strange fantasies instead. Fantasies which mind programmers have set up for them as the way out.

It's no excuse from consequences to blame someone else for being played the fool, but it is a reason as to how it happened in the first place. As an aside, what they failed to mention in the Holmes' case was that he frequented religious and religious debate chat rooms in high school before he went off balance. Perhaps the attacker in today's incident has influence from similar places. Occult influences are to blame too.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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One also has to consider Synchronicity...the Universe is causing it some how...

I know, I know, but I do have some very fashionable tin foil hats.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by Burnerz
KCC to Host SWAT Training Tuesday December 11


Members of the Klamath Falls S.W.A.T. Team will be on site at Klamath Community College on Tuesday, December 11, to administer a role play training for college employees. S.W.A.T.

Team members will train employees on proper response to a variety of potential emergency incidents, including having an active shooter on campus. “You never want to think about the worst case scenario,” said KCC President Roberto Gutierrez, “but as administrators, we would be remiss if we did not make sure our employees are trained for any possible occurrence.

This is all about safety: the safety of our employees as well as our students.”

The training exercise provides benefit to S.W.A.T. Team members as well, who will gain a better understanding of the facilities and layout of KCC, should they ever be called on to respond to an incident at the college.


Great find.
I heard the presser announcement by the Sheriff that that very Town Center Mall had held an active shooter training exercise within the last year, also.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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Now that there are more facts out there about this case, what is the likelihood that this guy shot up the mall because he was depressed over his girlfriend leaving him, rather than some manchurian candidate conspiracy plot? One of his friends had recently just had lunch with him and said he was upset over losing his gf. Just heard a phone interview on the radio. Maybe some of you ought to look at things more rationally.
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posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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very scary connection. keep updating please.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by unphased


Or you could just avoid the thread, and save everybody your not-so-relevant opinion.

Do you even know what the word "relevant" means? '
"Closely connected or appropriate to the matter at hand."
I'm pretty sure my opinion relates to the topic.

If you want to silence me because my opinion differs from yours, well @#$& off.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by unphased

Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by TerrorAlertRed
I want to know where the other two shooters ran off to....

I also want to know what happened to James Holmes' two roommates.

Maybe a connection....

yeah, it means the media will report a story before they know the facts.
if it were a conspiracy, wouldn't they get the story straight so as to not arouse suspicion?


You mean like all the reports of additional explosions on 9/11 that were scrubbed from the news by 11am? So those explosions were nothin but the media reporting before they had facts too right..?

You have a good point, but it's a little different. They sort of just ignored the additional explosions. They never said they didn't happen(feel free to prove me wrong) afterwards. Do you see the difference?



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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@ Ghost,

Yep. One thing is to take evidence and question it...another is to speculate and draw completely unsubstantiated conclusions because OMG CONPIERCY.



posted on Dec, 12 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by roguetechie
The complete myriad of insane coincidences and just plain ridiculous "facts" surrounding the case that we are supposed to just swallow is way beyond me!
not at all....there's only 1 real coincidence. The name's all starting with Ja. And that doesn't equal conspiracy.
I've read this whole thread. It's just people saying there's all these coincidence's when there aren't. List the coincidences for me....please.

WE need to wake up the people pulling the strings aren't even TRYING to put together a believable narrative and backstory to the incidents they use to influence the public into outright DEMANDING that their freedoms be taken away.
Wouldn't they try to put together a good story if they wanted to do this right? I feel this is evidence against a conspiracy.

Not only does this stink but the timing on dozens of levels just isn't right. Neither is the casualty count. Neither is someone walking in firing shots into the air and then declaring loudly "I AM THE SHOOTER".
What's wrong with the timing? and saying "I am a the shooter" sounds like something a crazy man would say...

Then there's the fact that the police are saying they did not fire any shots inside the mall yet it was plainly heard by an ats member that a bystander inside the mall pointed out a round on the ground.
(unknown whether it was spent or live but why would you drop a live round on the ground and not immediately pick it up?) Now the interesting part is that when this was brought up over the in the clear radio channel the round in question was identified as a .223 round and was further identified as a "department" round not one from the shooter...
This sounds like people just being uncoordinated, and not knowing exactly what's going on during emergency. Plus HOW do any of those things signify conspiracy? Explain your logic.

Also Note that even in the earliest reports coming out about this incident the only part of the story that didn't change was the press reporting that the shooter or shooters were using "Assault Rifles" and wearing "body armor" and most press agencies specifically identified the rifle as an AR 15 even in the early reports.

Now what you should find interesting about this is the fact that right now as we speak the obama administration and their allies inside the brady campaign are ramping up to try and gather the necessary support for a renewed and permanent assault weapons ban! And do you know what rifle is at the top of their list to ban?

Drumroll please..... THE AR 15!!!!

couldn't it be possible, that the gun people are worried about being used in massacres....could ya know, be used in massacres?

Look, I think the idea of Assault rifles is stupid. I thought it long before any shootings. You can't tell me ARs are for self-defense. What are they used for? Killing many people. That's EXACTLY what they were designed for.
Democrats don't need to use scare tactics to pass the legislation. The majority already support a semi-auto ban.....


A poll conducted in August 2012 found that 57% of those polled favor a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of semi-automatic assault weapons.1 A June 2011 poll confirms support for a national assault weapons ban: 62% of Americans polled support a federal ban on the sale of assault weapons.2


Since 2011, a majority has supported a ban on assault rifles....
why kill people when a majority already supports it.

Maybe the weapons designed for mass killings are chosen because.....wait for it.....they are designed for mass killings?




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