reply to post by adjensen
Hey, I didn't say it was pleasant, I said it was logical.
By your reasoning, immunizations are a bad idea, because it's not a good idea to go poking holes in yourself and introducing foreign substances, on
the off chance that you might get sick someday.
Of course, we need not be lopping off hands or gouging eyes, as we have salvation through him, but his point, though extreme, is valid.
Alright i'll concede this point...
Yes, I sound like a broken record, because you're doing this all the time -- you habitually practice eisegesis, because the Bible doesn't say
what you want it to say, so you read it in such a way as to conform to your beliefs.
Well lets look at that definition...
Eisegesis (from Greek εἰς "into" as opposed to exegesis from ἐξηγεῖσθαι "to lead out") is the process of interpreting a text or
portion of text in such a way that it introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, and/or biases into and onto the text. The act is often used to
"prove" a pre-held point of concern to the reader and to provide him or her with confirmation bias in accordance with his or her pre-held agenda.
Sounds exactly like what Christians do to me....
Yes i have my own interpretations of scripture... but its only because what your religion teaches about certiain topics within the bible are just
wrong in my humble opinion... Further more Christians will see a blatant contradiction or error within the texts and just explain it away using books
that have absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand... and they can do it with a straight face!! No punchline or anything!!
God is love... right? IF thats the case how the hell.... is hell a loving solution to any problem?
Personally i think that word was invented by Christians for Christians in an attempt to convince those that are not of their religion that there is
only one Interpretation of Scripture... Unfortunatly Christianity itself shows that there are many interpretations... IF there wasn't there would be
ONLY one Version of Christianity... but we know how that turned out don't we...
Jesus frequently refers to hell as being a real, physical place, where the wicked are punished for eternity.
Not true at all... He uses Hell as an allogorical statement...
IF it were a real phyical place there would be real physical people within said firey place... and i garentee that if you cracked open the coffen of
the most evil diabolical person that ever lived... his real phyical remains would still be there... not burning in some mythical crockpot...
Lets try a different approach though...
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize
you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Now.... do you recall any passage where Jesus dips peoples heads in fire?
It is not an invention of Paul,
When did i say it was?
t is not an allegory to "hell on Earth" or anything else that supports your logical problem posted in the OP.
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree...
Here's an idea... instead of starting with your expected result -- that hell can't exist because it implies a non-corporeal being suffering
physical pain -- and then working your way backward to determine your interpretation of scripture, why not start with what Jesus says and follow that
through to see if there's not a way to comprehend him saying it in a literal way.
Well you see... unlike your average Christian i don't take everything he said litterally... In real life we don't go around hacking peoples hands
off, and yanking peoples eyes out if they displease us... Perhaps in some countries but not in the civilized world...
Hell is a fantasy created to induce fear in the general population... as a matter of fact... i have issues believing Jesus ever mentioned hell at
all... im more inclined to believe the word was inserted into scripture to comply with older hebrew/jewish beliefs... and considering the authors of
the gospels were all from said sect of religion... its likely right.
I might be wrong of course... i make no claims to know everything... but considering how many holes are in the beliefs of the abrahamic
religions.... why not add a few more eh?
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