Vertical Chem Trails ( What will they think of next? )

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posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by KrzYma
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


hehe, you said that, a fighter jet can do vertical trails and that's what it is.
not a perspective rotation makes them look vertical, they are vertical !!
they are not from a commercial plane you all get as basis to explain them

I haven't seen it the first time aether, but they are vertical


How can you tell it's a fighter? It looks exactly like a horizontal commercial jet's contrail would look.




posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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Here's some video I shot about a year ago, it shows two planes flying away from me, it looks like they are going straight down. But they are just flying away. Same thing



Video is speeded up x4
edit on 13-12-2012 by Uncinus because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by CherubBaby
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AT best I call this one a draw then because like they have already said, it's perspective? But I will bet you ask 100 strangers what they perceive in that pic and those trails and most will agree with me , they don't look horizontal. And never will..


Because it creates the illusion they are vertical and how many people agree with you just shows why illusions are still so cool because they can trick people into seeing things which are not what they think.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by Uncinus

Originally posted by KrzYma
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


hehe, you said that, a fighter jet can do vertical trails and that's what it is.
not a perspective rotation makes them look vertical, they are vertical !!
they are not from a commercial plane you all get as basis to explain them

I haven't seen it the first time aether, but they are vertical


How can you tell it's a fighter? It looks exactly like a horizontal commercial jet's contrail would look.


you have said that yourself, commercial plane can not fly this way, only jet fighters can.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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But it hasn't been proven that it's vertical. I've seen "vertical" contrails before, and when the plane leaving them went over my head, it was a 747. The contrail appeared to be going straight up, but it was all perspective.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by KrzYma

Originally posted by Uncinus

Originally posted by KrzYma
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


hehe, you said that, a fighter jet can do vertical trails and that's what it is.
not a perspective rotation makes them look vertical, they are vertical !!
they are not from a commercial plane you all get as basis to explain them

I haven't seen it the first time aether, but they are vertical


How can you tell it's a fighter? It looks exactly like a horizontal commercial jet's contrail would look.


you have said that yourself, commercial plane can not fly this way, only jet fighters can.


No, I said that the contrail is horizontal. It's not vertical. It does not look like a vertical contrail would (a vertical contrail would not be straight, or solid, due to wind shear and varying humidity). It looks like a horizontal contrail, which is exactly what a commercial jet would leave.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by KrzYma
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


hehe, you said that, a fighter jet can do vertical trails and that's what it is.
not a perspective rotation makes them look vertical, they are vertical !!
they are not from a commercial plane you all get as basis to explain them


but how can you tell that it is ACTUALLY vertical?

It looks exactlyu like a horizontal trail moving towards/away from teh camera to me.

What, SPECIFICALLY shows that it was made vertically?



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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I admit it looks that way to a select few..



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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reply to post by CherubBaby
 


Without reading other comments, I don't believe you don't understand perspective either.

Or maybe you don't .......



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by CherubBaby
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I admit it looks that way to a select few..


I think more than a few people understand perspective, and they are not "select", other than by their own choice to consider what is reasonable agaisnt what is possible.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 03:25 PM
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nice try



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by CherubBaby
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I admit it looks that way to a select few..


I think more than a few people understand perspective, and they are not "select", other than by their own choice to consider what is reasonable agaisnt what is possible.


Perspective is especially hard to comprehend in three dimensions, with no frame of reference.

If a trail is sufficiently far away and short, then there's going to be very little in the way of actual size perpective difference between the ends to cue you as to which end is closer. So you've just got a line in space, but no ide where the end points are.

Consider this: The trail goes from point A to point B in space. The camera is at point C. Now draw a 3D line CA, and another CB, and then extend these lines beyond CA and CB, call that CAx and CBx. Now you can pick any point on CAx, and any on CBx, and you'll get the exact same visual result. With the "vertical" trails shown you can pick two points a & b, so you end up with a horizontal or vertical line, or indeed any slope of line between those two extremes. With the 45 degree line, you can get any slope between horizontal and 45 degrees.

Can be a little confusing.



posted on Dec, 13 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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Try this if you will. I've added a black triangle to the pic from your OP. Would you mind drawing a line representing a vertical flight path for the triangle and also draw a line representing a horizontal flight path that would go directly over the photographer. Compare the horizontal and vertical flight paths.




posted on Dec, 16 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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Perspective confuses people. I can understand this but not everything that appears to be going up is actually doing so.



Filmed in Florida during 2008 by a member of ATS. Perspective fooled him into thinking that he was witnessing a missile launch.




posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Uncinus
Here's some video I shot about a year ago, it shows two planes flying away from me, it looks like they are going straight down. But they are just flying away. Same thing



Video is speeded up x4
edit on 13-12-2012 by Uncinus because: (no reason given)


OMG! where did these two planes crash at? They were quite obviously heading straight down! There is no way you can explain away their direction with those silly facts you always bring. As explained by the OP over all these pages, if it looks like that, then it is.

I think you are hiding this double plane crash from the public. I smell conspiracy.
edit on 17-12-2012 by network dude because: bad spler



posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Well if you are saying you have never seen a vertical trail , so be it. I have. If you are saying it's impossible for a person to tell by looking, then you are funny.



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by CherubBaby
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Well if you are saying you have never seen a vertical trail , so be it. I have. If you are saying it's impossible for a person to tell by looking, then you are funny.


are you still claiming the ones in your OP are vertical?



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by tinhattribunal



more receptors on the 'antenna' for the reptilian 'net'?



explain?



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by CherubBaby
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Well if you are saying you have never seen a vertical trail , so be it. I have. If you are saying it's impossible for a person to tell by looking, then you are funny.


are you still claiming the ones in your OP are vertical?


Sure sounds like it to me. I would give him credit for sticking by his guns, if he weren't firing blanks.



posted on Dec, 20 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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i can only wonder what the OP would make of MC Escher`s belvedere





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