reply to post by jiggerj
Let me first say this:
Because of the wording in your second post, I'm assuming you consider yourself an agnostic atheist. As such, your first post should conclude to, “I
don't know if God is here, because I cannot see him here.”
What your post actually concludes to is, “God is not here, because I can't see him here.” You are confusing atheism and agnostic atheism by doing
so. The paraphrase, “God is not there, because I can't see him.”, is the basis of your argument. You are saying God cannot be found at X, thus he
is not there. That logic is a fallacy, because you cannot say something isn't there just because you cannot see it, or measure it.
On to the post:
Saying an agnostic atheist has an advantage, because they can say, “I don't know”, implies theists might be wrong, and it asserts, theists do not
question their faith; but I assure you, agnostic atheist aren't the only ones who question God. Moreover, the entire premise of faith is based on
In reply to: “As for WHY we're conscious: This question is only valid to believers in gods. It implies that we have a purpose. That we were created
for a specific reason.”
Does everything not happen with a purposeful cause? For an example: Imagine kicking a can and the rocks moving under it. Your purpose was not for the
rocks to move, but a purpose is still the initial cause.
Now, to not answer your anecdotal questions:
The reason I said, "not answer", is because you are so far off from what I think consciousness is, that it would take me more time than I'm willing
to invest to be able to answer your questions correctly. That is to say, you first need to redefine your basic understanding of consciousness.
Lets define consciousness by trying to solve the following questions:
When you think of consciousness, do you think that you are conscious, because you have a brain? Are brains the soul beneficiary of consciousness? If
only brains have consciousness, how does the rest of the body know to act when your brain communicates to it? What exactly is consciousness?
Your problem lies here: You are losing sight of consciousness, because you consider only brains to be conscious because they're better at
communicating concepts. You are making an error by assuming few concepts equal no consciousness.
Sure the brain is more evolved, and thus better at communicating concepts, but the leg must have a concept of motion, if you wish to move it. It must
have a concept of touch, if it is to send an impulse to the brain that communicates that you are being touched by something. The brain, just like the
nerves in your leg, must understand touch, in order to evolve to be able to receive the communication from the nervous system.
After completing the above thought process, you should be able to determine that consciousness is only concept communication.
To continue, you need to go further down this thought process while making cross connections to plants and other animals, and eventually you will see
that everything has a concept; even quarks have the concept of motion.
So to answer all your anecdotal questions at once: I don't know.
To take a broad swing at it, though, I would say consciousness is important, because highly evolved consciousness better praises God.
However, my initial sentiment was that purpose
is the reason theist, and I guess spiritual atheist alike, seek answers, whereas how
the reason science seeks answers.
You need to stop viewing the world as some physical thing and start viewing it in a way that doesn't confine you to measurable things.
Think of it like this: Can you measure thoughts, or are you just measuring how well they're communicated? Are synapse of the brain thoughts or are
they just the way the mind retrieves information from the brain? Do thoughts not exist, if you can't measure them?
You may have to reread this post several times, but it should help you get on the right track. Also, it may help to refer to the post in my signature,
and this post aswell
Good luck man.