I think when looking at the sophistication of the world, intelligent design makes more sense than development by chance. The evidence in favor of God is stronger than the evidence against.

Great post, will watch the vids when I have some time.

Great thread from reading it.,no i'm not one of them,i'm just on a quick break at work so will come back n watch the vids later.

Just wanted to say i agree with your premise,just cos something looks incredibly complex,intricate and appears to show a sense of design,,doesnt demand a designer.

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Bob

You think an 'intelligent designer' has to mean a guy sitting up in the clouds that moulded the entire cosmos as a potter moulds clay. Fair enough, that's how Abrahamic religions put it. Truth be told, it may not be 'designed,' but it's intelligent. More accurately, I say it designs itself, or more precisely, improvises as it goes along, with no thought or main purpose behind any of it -- because it can, and has been -- which, up till now, lead to beings like us which can actively question their surroundings, cut it up, try to see how it works, and put meaning behind it all.

But of course, anything we say or do is our interpretations of that 'improvised dance' we call the cosmos and reality. You can call it God, or made by a God(s), or a fluke, or the product of nothing, or whatever else, but that doesn't change what it is, which is everything.

Personally, that makes the most sense.

Snowflakes are not information. They are H2O droplets frozen while moving through the air. The problem with intelligent design is that it takes something we do not fully understand and inserts a designer there BECAUSE we don't understand. The one argument they use is the complexity of cells. I think we should let the scientist do their thing and learn more about the cells before jumping to any conclusions. There's also no reason to assume that DNA today is as complex as it was originally 3 billion or so years ago.

Very interesting. Thank you for sharing. Looking forward to watching the videos.

Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
You think an 'intelligent designer' has to mean a guy sitting up in the clouds that moulded the entire cosmos as a potter moulds clay. Fair enough, that's how Abrahamic religions put it. Truth be told, it may not be 'designed,' but it's intelligent. More accurately, I say it designs itself, or more precisely, improvises as it goes along, with no thought or main purpose behind any of it -- because it can, and has been -- which, up till now, lead to beings like us which can actively question their surroundings, cut it up, try to see how it works, and put meaning behind it all.

But of course, anything we say or do is our interpretations of that 'improvised dance' we call the cosmos and reality. You can call it God, or made by a God(s), or a fluke, or the product of nothing, or whatever else, but that doesn't change what it is, which is everything.

Personally, that makes the most sense.

Exactly. That's the biggest issue people have here.. They are so hateful towards religion that they fail to see that the 'designer' doesn't even have to be a religious God. One could also simply conclude that nature itself is intelligent. Or it could lead to a perspective of the biocentric universe, and there are more possibilities. People's grudges towards religion blind them from the possibilities.

Not only do the same shapes reoccur here on earth, they seem to be doing the same things everywhere. Spirals appear in space, in sun tornadoes, in tornadoes, and in seashells. Seems like minerals form in flower like patterns, not just in crystal shapes. What we see replicates everywhere if the same elements are present. Chances are aliens could look just like us somewhere in the universe if the conditions are right. Going onto a planet far away might seem as going onto our own planet with trees that could look similar, trees and leaves are formed from the same reoccurring shapes found everywhere.

Do we need proof to know that life exists out there somewhere when we look in the sky. I don't, i never did. Maybe they live on a beautiful world not full of plastic, Maybe they are smart enough to take good care of their planet and just settle for what their planet provides them with. We look for radio frequencies that would show advanced life not realizing advanced life would not be using such a primitive form of communication as we use.

What designed this life. I don't know, some call it god. I doubt if god looks like a human, god would need to be some sort of structured energy or frequency, maybe that is why they said "God is the word". I guess It is not really that important to believe I know what is going on. Keeping the mind open means you need to understand you know nothing at all but are just learning to assemble the pieces of the puzzle.