reply to post by Dynamike
Can anyone tell me at what size of the human brain did we create a spirit in the history of the evolution of the human brain? Or do all animals have
spirits? What about insects because they just have complex nervous systems. What about all of the animals that have become extinct? Did you know that
99% of all animals that have existed on earth are extinct?
there's a number of ideas and theories that are questions to these answers, however at the very onset, your assumptions are that there is only a
physical realm and what we can know through our senses. Math and science has already proven the high probability of the existence of various
dimensions all super imposed over ours.
Because I was an Atheist once, I too held all the same points & arguments that you try to bring up and I did it well enough to make people leave their
faith and cry. What destroyed all my Atheism was Buddha's offer to test for myself if what he said was true. Many of his teachings I experienced in
the realm of consciousness. Took Jesus' teachings also as a test, and they too panned out to direct experiences and access to higher faculties than
logic & reason (i.e. transcendence, timelessness, expanded consciousness, and universal empathy to certain degrees)
The seed in your argument is that w are only physical bodies on a physical realm. That's assumption
I am not trying to be condescending, these are serious questions I would like to know. And to be honest I would love to believe in supernatural human
abilities or spiritual presence but I have yet to find evidence or even any room for possibility.
the thing is, the proof/evidence can only be experienced in consciousness. Just like having a cold beer on a hot day. You need anyone to tell you
about it, or read books about it, or doubt beer, you jump in there willingly, crack it open, and experience it directly through consciousness.
Same goes for the Spiritual things. It requires dropping atheism and at least going in agnosticism and saying "I don't know". The not knowing is
neutral enough to allow one to investigate various teaching, philosophies, techniques, and so forth.
Science, materialist based, gets its proof & evidence through the scientific method ...objective proof. But spiritual realities and experiences are
immaterial, so the scientific method's rules and limits can't apply to them. Spirituality can provide subjective proof directly to you in the realm
of your own consciousness being the laboratory ...and you can google your experience, and find the exact same thing, or similar things being mentioned
throughout history, dating back thousands of years, or modern day forums where they are discussed.
Granted Western Christianity is polluted, corrupt, and watered down, and they hold a large number of hypocrits. However, you can find a pure form in
Eastern orthdoxy, Desert Fathers, Christian Mysticism, and many of the other major religions and philosophies apply as well. All they really are , is
a bunch of blueprints on how to reach enlightenment.
There are douche bag lying hypocrits representing atheism, christianity, america, greece, man, woman.....anything that is being represented in anyway,
has douche bag lying hypocrits, but that doesn't mean the thing they represent is bad, like a gun can be used to kill or protect, yet is inherently
All this to say, that my life as a Mystic and experiencer of the things that Buddha, Jesus, Socrates, and many others taught, is a million times
better than when I was an atheist/strict materialist.
Besides that, there is just way too much coming down the pipeline in future science, that looks to be coming close to quantify spiritual reality.
It's just in it's infancy and has some barriers to break through