Simulation theory and self-termination.

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posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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If in fact this is simulation it means our god, our belief in good and evil isn't real. The only ultimate laws/rules that matter are those of this system and the rules humanity constructs that brings about the many paths of evolution. Just like in virtual simulations on our world if a character dies she/he has a chance to restart as a new avatar that satisfies their needs. Now I'm questioning if upon our death in our possible simulation rather or not our avatar code is rebooted back into this system. I see no logical reason for a simulation program to delete useful codes unless they have uncorrectable errors. I think as long as you're not glitched you don't have to worry about deletion.

Suicide in theory could be a positive thing for this system considering it means you are playing a new avatar. During death you won't see loved ones unless our system programs fake ones to calm you down until you're rebooted. Matter of fact it could be possible that once this avatar dies that we won't miss anybody at all because again the system would have designed us not to miss them. After all we really are just codes with collected likes and dislikes until booted up into a new VR sim.




posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 09:50 PM
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On that note, if you're familiar with computer gaming, all of us, except for a few, could very well just be NPCs following the basic in-game programming of a randomly generated chunk of code.
Yup.
We have our code to exist as so much background filler for the main characters.
Die as an NPC, and 'you' as code, only being filler code and not really essential get deleted where eventually another randomly generated bit of code comes along.
Certainly if we're just dumb NPCs, it begs the question:
Who are the main characters?
Dunno.
Who seems to be having the most fun?



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 10:04 PM
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Another possibility to consider is that your attempt at self termination would be non-executable.

So you get something akin to the blue screen of death before being rebooted and waking up from a vivid dream with a different perspective on the simulation. You may or may not have a memory of this even occurring.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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'Who's having the most fun' is a good way to narrow it down. Except fun can be defined subjectively. Perhaps the outside players are those who enter with intentions of mass-control, power, etc. Some might enter the simulation so they can rule as a tyrant, and fulfill their sadistic fantasies. Some may enter as a an extremely wealthy individual with access to all the sex, drugs, & technological comforts possible. Some may enter to be a great hero, inventor, or even "god". Some may wish to become harbingers of psychological terror (demonic entities, malevolent aliens, etc). The simulation may be a way for external crazy (and ambitious) people to come enact their desires.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by Alyssa
 


On that note, if you're familiar with computer gaming, all of us, except for a few, could very well just be NPCs following the basic in-game programming of a randomly generated chunk of code.
Yup.
We have our code to exist as so much background filler for the main characters.
Die as an NPC, and 'you' as code, only being filler code and not really essential get deleted where eventually another randomly generated bit of code comes along.
Certainly if we're just dumb NPCs, it begs the question:
Who are the main characters?
Dunno.
Who seems to be having the most fun?


I'm pretty sure I have seen some NPC's. Lol.
I had an idea sort of like this. This is kind of what The Nines the movie is about which gave me a kind of idea for a book, but it was too much like the movie to really be original. :/



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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S+F for reading my mind



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by Alyssa
If in fact this is simulation it means our god, our belief in good and evil isn't real. The only ultimate laws/rules that matter are those of this system and the rules humanity constructs that brings about the many paths of evolution.


Why would it mean that there are no gods? Take Christians, for example. They believe in a creator that created all of the universe and all life in it. How is that not the epitome of a simulation?



Originally posted by Alyssa
Just like in virtual simulations on our world if a character dies she/he has a chance to restart as a new avatar that satisfies their needs. Now I'm questioning if upon our death in our possible simulation rather or not our avatar code is rebooted back into this system. I see no logical reason for a simulation program to delete useful codes unless they have uncorrectable errors. I think as long as you're not glitched you don't have to worry about deletion.


Again, this is an analog of many religions. Reincarnation is the obvious outcome of death as it follows all other patterns in nature.



Originally posted by Alyssa
Suicide in theory could be a positive thing for this system considering it means you are playing a new avatar. During death you won't see loved ones unless our system programs fake ones to calm you down until you're rebooted. Matter of fact it could be possible that once this avatar dies that we won't miss anybody at all because again the system would have designed us not to miss them. After all we really are just codes with collected likes and dislikes until booted up into a new VR sim.


Suicide is pretty much like "rerolling" a character, I agree. But... the difference is that you are able to still use old characters if you regret wasting time with your new one. With suicide, it's a done deal and you may reroll a lamer "toon" than what you are walking around in right now.

As far as what happens or if you would miss loved ones, that all depends on how we were designed.

Awesome thread and I hope it gets a lot of people thinking. My belief is that science and spirituality will meet at an apex soon. The notion that many scientists are voting on the "simulation" theory just tells me they want a comfortable way of explaining all the gaps that spirituality explains.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 11:12 PM
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Interesting thread. There is a lot to be said for various "simulation theories" and holographic universe ideas of different sorts.


One thing that strikes me, though, is that each generation seems to re-formulate its metaphysics based on the current trends in technology. Back when steam power was king and the industrial revolution was underway, for example, there was a lot of talk about the "mechanistic, clockwork universe", with metaphors and imagery drawn from the machinery that was being invented at a time. Similarly, in our own age, computer imagery is frequently used to describe the nature of the universe, with talk of "networks", "programs," "virtual worlds," and so on. Computer-inspired metaphysics has been popular for some decades, paralelling the rise of computer technology, but it is only recently I have started to hear gaming meaphors like the ones in this thead -- talk of "avatars" or "RPGs", etc., perhaps highlighting the rise of gaming in recent years.

There is nothing necessarily wrong with these metaphors, but keep in mind that humans project these fleeting, ever-changing preoccupations with the technology i]du jour onto the universe, and its easy to get trapped by their limitations.

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posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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" Reincarnation is the obvious outcome of death as it follows all other patterns in nature. "

Reincarnation in nature? Sorry, I'm not understanding that. No offense, can you tell me what you mean by that?
Thanks



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by hypattia
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" Reincarnation is the obvious outcome of death as it follows all other patterns in nature. "

Reincarnation in nature? Sorry, I'm not understanding that. No offense, can you tell me what you mean by that?
Thanks


Nature shows a system of recycling looking from the macrocosmic perspective all the way down to the microcosmic. Galaxies are huge universal recycling centers and, on a cellular level, everything recycles. The yearly cycle shows a rebirth of Earth every twelve months. There are countless examples of this.

The soul (or whatever you feel comfortable calling it) would naturally follow suit and return in a corporeal body, as well. To think there is a terminating point where all souls end is simply unnatural. It only makes sense that we also participate in the circle of nature just like everything else.



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 06:49 PM
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I see you finally got banned Alyssa, I suppose baby hating is a bit to much even for ATS. But you should know that just because this reality is an illusion, it does not mean that its not real, besides we don't all live in the same reality's anyways.



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 07:08 PM
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Evolution at play in the ATS environment. I wonder how long until the stock here is so inbred it cannot produce but only regurgitate like a rss feed of news from the msm. You seem vindictive.

Excellent thread OP, it's a shame you got banned as you seem to at least be pushing against the boundary, best of luck.

The internet has been incorporated into the entertainment system far too much for my liking.

Addendum as a response to the OP. I believe life/death is whatever you make it.
edit on 3-1-2013 by usernamehere because: sky-net made me do it



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 12:37 AM
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Lo and behold! who would have predicted such an answer from a random dude on the net.
But no was checking her new thread right before it got pulled and dissipated into limbo, 404, disappeared just like that literally minutes before I started reading this thread. Were in that thread she was complaining that now that there supposedly is a new member in the family, her family I suppose. Well the baby was stealing all the attention from her and she got vindictive about it. All's I can say about Alyssa was that ya she was interesting, that and she had a thing about having fancy cake and slave workers for her while she laid back and ate cake, that and a very cool reptilian all seeing eye avatar that she was fancy of. She definitely came of like somebody who was either trolling or never been in the real world all her short life. From the posts of hers I ran into I think one day she is likely to be hated by a lot of people, or more likely that she will become some big shot honcho, or a CEO of some mega company, who knows possibly even president.


Excellent thread OP, it's a shame you got banned as you seem to at least be pushing against the boundary, best of luck. The internet has been incorporated into the entertainment system far too much for my liking. Addendum as a response to the OP. I believe life/death is whatever you make it.

Oh you have no idea, or clue. And yes life and death are whatever you make it, however what you will make it is based on what you know of it, and what you know of it is what you have chosen to know based on the things presented to you, and so your free to chose, but your not free to not choose.






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