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Originally posted by stereologist
There is a real danger from people that spout doom. You might think that it is just fun to rake in the money from the gullible, but the gullible can be drawn into great. That fear can end up in death and injury.
There has been at least one substantiated case in which a person killed themselves due to 2012 fears.
In October a group of doomsdayers listened to their so-called spiritual leader that had the idea an angel told him when the world would end. The group prepared to kill themselves, but the police broke up the threat.
On Thursday evening, 50 military policemen forced their way into the home and removed 19 babies and children after they received "credible" information that the group had planned to kill themselves by drinking poison. Police say that during the operation, a "significant quantity" of rat poison was found at the residence.
Remember that the quote was a newspaper article dated October 12.
Those people probably feel pretty good today. It has been 2 months since that end of the world date failed.
Will others fall for the claims of the con men that say the world is coming to an end, or will people begin to realize that these charlatans are preying on people?
Two different kettles of fish. A scammer specifically tells people to send him/her their money and promises some kind of reward. A doomsayer doesn't specifically tell people to commit suicide. I've read these people's websites and books out of curiosity. Not once have I ever seen or heard one say "When the end nears it will be horrific and traumatic, so you best put that .357 in your mouth and feed yourself a round to avoid the suffering."
When people commit suicide it's their own choice, plain and simple. And even if they were telling people to kill themselves, they still shouldn't be held responsible. The individual made the decision to go through with it. Nobody else made that decision for them.
Holding other people responsible for your conscious decisions doesn't hold up in the court of law, and it shouldn't here either.
"Mr. Jenkins, the convenience store security camera clearly shows that you were the one who robbed the owner at gunpoint last Thursday. How do you plead?"
"But, but, your honor... my friend is the one who told me to do it. He should be punished instead! I wasn't originally going to do it, but he talked me into it. I was pressured into doing it!"
You know this whole argument falls apart when you apply analogies to it right? This same # goes on in so many different aspects it is unreal. The fact that you choose this specific analogy makes me wonder at your logic or why you don't attempt to argue the other aspects of this conundrum.
If you commit suicide that's nobody's fault but your own. Why not just wait for the world to end if that's what you believe. Stop trying to make people feel guilty for things that aren't there fault. That's is like me telling japan last year that an earthquake was coming. Should they commit suicide over it? Is it my fault if they do? Simply; no.
It's freedom of speech to discuss Earth changes and catastrophic scenarios.
Why are you focusing on the negative aspect of this?
Regarding those who are considering possible Earth changes that we have the freedom to discuss, do you think that there are more self-destructive people or more vigilant people?
I believe that for every two people who are scared of what may happen, there are 8 people who are using these discussions to prepare themselves and their families.
Frankly, your decision to focus on negativity is no better than those you're criticizing and calling doomsayers.
Hand cites studies by unnamed historians, who "calculate[d] that some 6 million heard the CBS broadcast; 1.7 million believed it to be true, and 1.2 million were 'genuinely frightened'". NBC's audience, by contrast, was an estimated 30 million.