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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Hefficide
How long before a world with harmony can exist again?
Again?
That world never existed, your questions and observations have been pondered by great minds since the beginning of time.
I guess that is one reason man has always looked for a savior, and some even look forward to the end of days,
To kill us/the virus,
edit on 113131p://bWednesday2012 by Stormdancer777 because: (no reason given)
I am an optimist. Just like Iceland, the whole of the people can and will react. I think it will be easier on a smaller scale, but the organism will defend itself.
Originally posted by Hefficide
Would you please direct me to the part where I suggested turning people into "clones"?
Or where I used any terms such as "cookie cutter zombies" or "mindless, uneducated consumers and unwitting political tools".
In the OP above you'll find no suggestion of, or push for any sort of purity, whether it be racial, gender, religious, or otherwise
Rich v poor, black v white, Christian v Muslim, right v left, man v woman .... The disease is easy to see
The symptoms of this pathogen are easy to see. Bias, hatred, racism, judgment, and selfishness...
And, yet, here you come, sneezing all over it and happily trying to spread the disease.
Even with seven billion Fawkes masks, covering seven billion faces, we would still fragment. We would still break off into tribes and factions. We would remain ripe for divide and rule. Even if for no other reasons than accent, voice, or stated thought. Even if we all sought to be as generic and alike as possible - fragmentation based upon nuance would occur. This is the truth of things. This is an aspect of the diversity that helps us survive, and it is the single most important tool in the enemies arsenal.
The unnatural and abhorrent comes when a willfully infected aspect of the whole seeks to create disharmony by tightening and tuning those collected choruses... leading them off key... changing the very structure and stability of the endless song. They fragment the voice.
So... if we all make just some level of effort towards prophylactic containment? How man generations will it take for the first child to be born, at some point in the future, completely free of infection and with no prospects of later contamination? How long before a world with harmony can exist again?
Originally posted by SteveR
I like how each reply from you has to be personal. You postulate that I am being superior yet I believe that is a good description of your position (and your problem) in its entirety.
Originally posted by SteveR
How much arrogance do you have to have to sum up all the world's strife and say it should not be? Have you been personally involved with all the world's conflicts and know them intimately? Who gave you the omniscience to judge all strife as not valid? Who are you to say what is a just cause and what isn't?
Originally posted by SteveR
Your words are the sentiments of someone who believes he is the only adult in a world of children. I only have to come to the thread and disagree with the OP you present, and I get immediately labelled as part of the "disease". It was predictable and spoke volumes. It is your sense of superiority and arrogance that is the problem in your thinking.
Originally posted by SteveR
As Einstein said, condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. You condemn 'all' strife very generally with a broad brush with no analysis or deconstruction of any of the specific issues you brought up, leaving no room for the complexities and experiences of others involved in the conflicts you dismiss, your operating philosophy thus requires condemnation with zero investigation.
Originally posted by SteveR
Wishing strife away (under the pretense it is all baseless) is a position that comes from a sheltered liberal fantasy land, the same environment that produced the childishly unrealistic movie on which your OP repeatedly referenced.
The film, V For Vendetta - one that is most likely familiar to, and a favorite of many ATSers, ends with a very powerful and compelling series of scenes. One of these scenes shows the masses of London, all dressed as Guy ( or Guido, historically ) Fawkes, in unity, as one, walking through a series of highly armed military checkpoints, erected specifically to keep them out. A visual iteration of vox populi, vox Dei ( The voice of the people [is] the voice of God ).