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Food Stamp Use Up 1.44 million in Just One Month

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posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Yes I know how the cost of living works first off the highest cost of living goes to the blue states next up the federal reserve and it's printing money out of thin air also effects that cost of living.

But then agian just because a state loves to tax the hell out of people does not give them the right to use the feds to take more money from me to cover that difference.




posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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No worries on my part.
I have no problem with people calling me names. Especially here. It is the internet.
I have gone through SO much more in life, then to worry about stuff like that.

But, I agree. The system is broken and getting worse.

The answer is smaller Govt, and More Personal Freedom.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by sheepslayer247


Do we not all benefit by not having people die of starvation or by not having people stealing to feed their family? There are more benefits than just what you see on the surface. The number one benefit being lower crime.

No, we would benefit if said person had a job.

Hunger is not an excuse to steal.
Oh, if you don't mind, please provide the study that shows crime, mainly theft, goes up when people don't have Food stamps to turn to.

I am fine with dispatching a person breaking into my home, regardless if for food or for property.


Source

Here is a link to a site in which you can find all the info you need and here is another link to a study that looks at the phsycological aspects of hunger.

Source

While hunger may not be an excuse to steal, people will steal to eat. So foodstamps may be beneficial to all....as I have previously stated.

ETA: Just by doing the math, it becomes very obvious that most of the people on foodstamps DO work. Therefore we must revert back to my original statement that said we must attack the root causes of economic peril. Simply addressing foodstamps without looking at the root cases is pointless.
edit on 10-12-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247

Who said I supported Obama's policies? I didn't. Whether it's speculating or assuming....you're on a roll today!
I'm just playing with you, my all-wise bunny overlord.

I agree that less people on foodstamps is a good indication of a productive economy, but is Obama the one to blame for this? Shouldn't we be looking at the Fed and the decisions made by the POLICYMAKERS in congress?

Blaming Obama is useless and shows that too many people do not know how the economy or policy-creation works.


The problem I have is that so many can blame Bush, but when Obama is the target, it's the Fed and Congress, or greedy corporations.

Never, ever is it the Teflon Obom'.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by Thepump

Originally posted by projectvxn
And yet the government will tout this as a success.

They really do. They are proud that 48 million people are on food stamps. They measure success by how many are on welfare rather than how many are not.



Who are they?

A robot?

I am glad that 48 million aren't hungry, is that a crime?

Or should we be proud that people are suffering here in America?


They would be better off if they had jobs and could provide for themselves. The fact that you seem to think that 48 million Americans on welfare is a good thing is astounding.

We should be cheering when those numbers come down.


Obviously I don't want all those people to be out of work.

But I would rather not see those people go hungry in the meantime, what is wrong with that?



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by macman
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Yep, nothing like helping further along the current economic situation, pushing more crippling taxes, where the outcome is more people out of work, and then push for higher taxes to feed those people.

A touch of Socialism, a dash of Marxism, and pinch of Communism and just the right amount of the Liberal Progressive ideals and you have a great situation.



Nothing like making a debt worse.

Lets keep lowering taxes for billionaires and complain about people get food assistance.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox


*laughs* you can list them. But it doesn't mean anybody will buy. I have had friends who have had garage sales and people only want to pay 50cents for a piece of furniture.
Ebay charges you to list. my friends quit when nothign was sold, and THEN t hey had to shell out several dollars to ebay fees.

SO, more excuses as to why you can't.
No wonder you can't, you have failed even before you have started.
Oh and Ebay doesn't charge for unsold items.


Originally posted by nixie_nox
I love people who think like you that you exist in this bubble with no effect on your neighbor, but you are a human who lives in human society where everyone depends on everyone.

SO, I must then fund and bankroll other peoples failures, because of this "Society" crap you pitch?



Originally posted by nixie_nox
Just because you have never had a fire, doesn't mean that you don't have to pay into local funds for a fire department. It also means providing for children who will grow up to be doctors and teachers and soldiers, who provide services for all of society.

That is nice and all, but........................should I be paying taxes, on a higher rate then someone else, who has never used the fire department as well?
Public schooling as your case in this argument?????Really?
This is about Food stamps, not funding the wonderful public schools.



Originally posted by nixie_nox
There is nothing you do, in your day to day life, that you can do that isn't from benefitting from someone else.

Yes, and tonight before I go to sleep, I shall read the poem "No man is an island". Maybe I shall sob a bit.
What is the point?




Originally posted by nixie_nox
The healthier children are, the better education the receive, all benefit from society as a whole.
But since you can't seem to think beyond yourself, you don't see how it benefits everyone as a whole.
The healthier a population is, the higheer the GDP.

Still don't see how my paying taxes and higher taxes is just, to give to others.
The children are the responsibility of the parents. Not the neighbor or the tax payer.



Originally posted by nixie_nox

As it is pointed out over and over on these threads, the highest welfare recipients, are the red states. Thefood stamp predisent, who got us into this mess, was Bush.
But that doesn't play into your republican rhetoric 101 playbook.

And what does your cheap shot mean to me? I am not a republican.






Originally posted by nixie_nox


As I already pointed out, the cost of listing on ebay is more then people are willing to pay for a comic book, no matter the worth.
It also gets a little more complicated without boring you with the comic book world logistics.

There is no cost, unless it sells.
If sold, they the evil Ebay takes a percentage. **Shakes Fist** Damn you Ebay!!!







Originally posted by nixie_nox

This shows how clueless you are. By the time people reach this point, the whole family is poor. Do you think someone with wealthy parents go to the welfare office?

Yes, I have seen them.
But, never mind how many countless millionaires have started in the poorer side of life.





Originally posted by nixie_nox

Hey kids, this shows how shortsighted macman is. See if you help people now, they contribute later. Instead, he wants the great country of USA to turn into slums like a third world country, then complain that there are homeless people everywhere and they are unsightly and smell.

Oh that is cute.
So, if I, a tax payer, doesn't fork out more money, then the youth will just be all dumb and will turn on me.
Geez, seems that what we pay into Public education is extremely high, yet the youth have been spoon-fed the Socialist Ideals and are already turning on the tax payer, demanding more and more.




Originally posted by nixie_nox
My best friend, has two girls, whos father abandoned them. See in macman's world, everything is black and white and bad never happens. See, he went off the radar and left a woman to provide for two kids by herself.

So, my family is made to suffer for their failure and tragedy in life?




Originally posted by nixie_nox
So she went on welfare, fed her kids, got childcare so she could go to school. NOW, she manages a business, owns a house, and pays more than her fair share of taxes. Her kids, now getting a decent education, can become successful citizens themselves.

Oh, I see. If it weren't for the Govt, then she would have never been able to figure out how to be successful, or achieve anything in life.

Thank God we have 0bama, and he will continue to expand Govt, so we ALL will succeed and achieve, because before him and Govt, we were all failures. Sure sure.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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That is nice and all. But I asked very specifically for a source, that shows that without food stamps, that crime went up.

Not some waxing of the light fantastic about what could happen. And not a report that talks about what is happening throughout the world. I don't care about the rest of the world.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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It's a funny thing isn't it? We are not so different. I love my freedom.... use it every day. It is kinda funny when we decide to curb the freedoms of others for "moral" issues....what is morality? Who sets the benchmark? I want to know....they don't seem to represent me...though they claim to.

I hate that some of our fellow citizens are needing "Uncle Sam" to open the door...there is something terribly wrong with the numbers we see. I don't want anyone to go hungry....we are the land of plenty and if someone needs the gov to feed themselves...we have a serious problem.

I can get really depressed over this issue. It seriously bothers me. We should not have hunger here..but we do....and why is that? These are the hard questions we need to be asking...it is not a direct knock against anything...it is a question.

Dude...I can promise you this...I love freedom..anything that encroaches on that is the enemy...and I will roll up against it whenever I can...but sadly...most people are too stupid to know when their freedom is being crushed.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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Yep, because not only have I stated that taxes should be lower on just Billionaires. There is legislation pitching that as well.

Where oh where do you get your talking points from?



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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Others have said it, but I never blamed Bush...nor have I blamed Obama. I, as do many others, know where the blame should really go.

To blame either is just political and does nothing to address the real issues.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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Analysis of daily reported incidents of major crimes in twelve U.S. cities reveals an increase in crime over the course of monthly welfare payment cycles. This increase reflects an increase in crimes that are likely to have a direct financial motivation like burglary, larcenytheft, motor vehicle theft, and robbery, as opposed to other kinds of crime like arson, assault, homicide, and rape.


Harvard study

Read this. Lots of good info.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by macman
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Yep, because not only have I stated that taxes should be lower on just Billionaires. There is legislation pitching that as well.


Gee, who do you think the politicians are trying to serve?


I think they should make higher tax brackets and not change anything until you reach 1 million, 5, 10, 20, 50
75, 100,



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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Lets keep lowering taxes for billionaires and complain about people get food assistance.



Let's keep whining about payroll taxes and investment income as if they have ever been the same then lets whine tax those billionaires more so those poor can go out and buy more corporate products, and line those evil richs pockets even more.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Where oh where do you get your talking points from?


Msnbc and, the communist manfesto.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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Lets keep lowering taxes for billionaires and complain about people get food assistance.



Let's keep whining about payroll taxes and investment income as if they have ever been the same then lets whine tax those billionaires more so those poor can go out and buy more corporate products, and line those evil richs pockets even more.



Let's whine about taxing the virtuous rich when those lazy poor people give their money right back to
the rich like you just admitted




daw




posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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What I read was a report show casing the reasoning not to provide welfare to people.
Even when receiving handouts, free stuff and assistance, they act like animals, if only due to their funds running low or out completely.

So, lets just keep giving them stuff. Maybe that will stave them off for a longer period of time.

It also talks about the lack of self control within the people studied and receiving welfare.
So again, take more money from me to give to those that still choose criminal behavior after they have gotten their free stuff.

Thank you. I think everyone should read this. It is a prime example of what happens to people when they are given all that they want, they do not produce much within society, except crime when their stipend runs dry.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Again, let me be very clear.
Where have I stated I want taxes lowered just on Billionaires?

Also, please provide what this magical legislation you speak of, that only wants to lower taxes for said billionaires.

Please, as much as I know you want to, try to refrain from hyperbole and talking points.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Let's whine about taxing the virtuous rich when those lazy poor people give their money right back to the rich like you just admitted


Really if the rich are so bloody evil why would you take from everyone to line their pockets even more?

Seems to me if that was not going on they would not be so rich, but who cares the virtuous poor need government to come in and play robbin hood that has turned this country in to one giant hood.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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You asked for a study that showed when money/foodstamps ran out or was stopped, crime increased. That is what this paper is about and it goes into ways to streamline payments to combat these issues.

Therefore, my original point stands that without assistance to those that are in need.....crime will increase. You can call them animals or whatever, but my assertion seems to be correct.




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