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normally, i would tend to agree, but, if it's not, then why do we have 'child support' ??
Secondly, raising ones own children is not a contracted for service
i disagree as it is not an item of universal exchange whereas funds are.
Food stamps are comparable to getting funds
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by Honor93
firefighters are not employees of the Federal government, try again.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by DoYouEvenLift
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by DoYouEvenLift
reply to post by NavyDoc
This tired argument..
How can someone that doesn't know how to do math be expected to read a book?!?!
Got to be a tad more specific. One problem with a website that has a "reply to" without quoting button, is that sometimes you don't know what another person is referencing.
If you are referring to the comparing the salary of a government employee to a welfare benefit, the actual amount has nothing to do with the underlying principle--that one gets payment for a service provided and the other gets payment for nothing.edit on 11-12-2012 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)
What service is being provided by a government employee?
It depends on what is required. One assumes that a firefighter puts out fires, for example.
1). How is this discussion limited to the federal government?
2). I know several federally employed firefighters.
www.fs.fed.us...
Employment qualifications for federal firefighters PDF
The Federal Fire Department
As an employee of a federal fire department you are employed by a federal agency. This can be as a structural firefighter, wildland firefighter or both depending on the entity and service area. Such entities include the U.S. Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, a Veterans Affairs facility, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife or any number of other federally operated departments that employ fire service personnel. It may also fall under one of the branches of the U.S. military who often employ civilian fire personnel at various federally owned and operated bases or other military sites.
Are you still going to spout off on stuff you have not a clue about?
Originally posted by sirhumperdink
reply to post by beezzer
ok buddy ill remember your compassion (im sure jesus would be proud) when you and yours have no work no money and no innovations ill respect your wishes and let nature take its course
im no millionaire but im not doing too bad now and i only see things getting better i have no skin in this game im just telling you what i think is morally right and that most certainly does not involve being led by your wallet which you seem so proud ofedit on 11-12-2012 by sirhumperdink because: (no reason given)
no, i invite them over to share, don't you ?
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by macman
unless you've paid the tax rates of the 70s, you don't know what being taxed too much is ... it's never happened since.
yes, we do, in some cases but a hungry person, should always come first.
do you feed yourself before your children ?
do you feed yourself before your pets/animals ?
do you feed yourself before your guests ??
if you answer yes to any of the above, that's not surprising.
Do you empty out your neighbor's refrigerator to feed your guests? 'Cause that is what you want. Mac gladly helps out others, he's said it multiple times in this thread. There is a big moral difference between helping people out yourself and getting a third party to force a person to give to another. One ismoral, one is not.
why would they need to ??
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by Honor93
unless you've paid the tax rates of the 70s, you don't know what being taxed too much is ... it's never happened since.
Oh, did my accountant or financial adviser call you?
yes, we do, in some cases but a hungry person, should always come first.
do you feed yourself before your children ? Yep, they sure do.
do you feed yourself before your pets/animals ? Nope, as they are animals
do you feed yourself before your guests ?? Depends on the circumstance. Normal politeness, no, guest come first.
But if they stare at me, I beat them to death with my Evil Black Assault Rifle, shoot their kids and eat their pets.
Originally posted by Honor93
if you answer yes to any of the above, that's not surprising.
Ok then.
edit on 11-12-2012 by macman because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by projectvxn
And yet the government will tout this as a success.
They really do. They are proud that 48 million people are on food stamps. They measure success by how many are on welfare rather than how many are not.
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by sirhumperdink
Two words.
Personal responsibility,
Basically, it's not nor should it be my damned problem if people are unwilling to adjust or adapt to a new paradigm.
Originally posted by butcherguy
Well we have religion, hand grenades and invitations to mods on the last two pages.
Interesting thread, eh?
Way too many people on food stamps.
Did I ever tell you the story about the guy that owns corner grocery stores in the city?
He pays people 50 cents on the dollar to use their EBT cards. They hand him the card and give him the pin. He gives them cash.
He drives a stretch cargo van to the suburbs, and goes to a discount grocery chain.
He buys groceries there with the other people's EBT cards.
Then he drives the van full of groceries back to the city and stocks his grocery store.
He bought his stock for 50 cents on the dollar at a discount grocery.
He marks the prices up above what the discount chain actually charges by a significant amount.
Then he sells those groceries to other people, a lot of them using EBT cards to pay for them.
How do you like that? He is not a poor man, food stamps are making sure of that.
I watched it happen.
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by NavyDoc
so, you have no whip handy but you expect me to answer the same question twice ?? why, didn't you like the 1st answer ?
here, let me repeat it ...
i DO NOT trust government.
do you need that emblazened on a billboard or what ?
oh here we go ... you have no argument, so i don't understand ... ok, esplain it then.
what SERVICE don't parents provide ?
or better yet, what services do parents provide for -0- compensation?
your 'services' are a signed, contracted agreement, parenting is not.
[Federal services, not local ones]
your 'services' we've done without before, we could again.
your 'services' do nothing to enhance the country as a whole.
IF your 'services' did, i might be more willing to support them.
local public servants don't get paid from Federal tax dollars.
state agencies may get a stipend from the Fed funny-money scam but that doesn't translate like you imply.
who is "paying for their children" ?? you ?
only if you count your taxes in that summary otherwise it sure isn't you.
normally, i would tend to agree, but, if it's not, then why do we have 'child support' ??
Secondly, raising ones own children is not a contracted for service
i disagree as it is not an item of universal exchange whereas funds are.
Food stamps are comparable to getting funds
BS - commodity ... seems you need to see a dictionary.
sorry, but there is no "FS" trade value on the market exchange
you'd have to be schmoozed, confused or delerious to believe what you typed.
let's start with "commodity" ... that which is actually SOLD and demanded by the marketplace.
so, how do food stamps fit in with that definition again ?
wheat, barley, corn, fuel ... all commodities ... food stamps, not quite.
com·mod·i·ty
/kəˈmäditē/Noun
1.A raw material or primary agricultural product that can be bought and sold, such as copper or coffee.
2.A useful or valuable thing, such as water or time.
Synonyms
goods - merchandise - article - ware - product - item
So foodstamps does not satisfy a "want or need?"
In economics, a commodity is the generic term for any marketable item produced to satisfy wants or needs
Originally posted by babybunnies
Originally posted by projectvxn
And yet the government will tout this as a success.
They really do. They are proud that 48 million people are on food stamps. They measure success by how many are on welfare rather than how many are not.
Republicans would cut off food stamps almost immediately, as they feel that anyone who can't "pull their socks up and help themselves" isn't worth helping.
However, they're happy to provide tax breaks for billionnaires and corporations.
Originally posted by Honor93
no, i invite them over to share, don't you ?
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by macman
unless you've paid the tax rates of the 70s, you don't know what being taxed too much is ... it's never happened since.
yes, we do, in some cases but a hungry person, should always come first.
do you feed yourself before your children ?
do you feed yourself before your pets/animals ?
do you feed yourself before your guests ??
if you answer yes to any of the above, that's not surprising.
Do you empty out your neighbor's refrigerator to feed your guests? 'Cause that is what you want. Mac gladly helps out others, he's said it multiple times in this thread. There is a big moral difference between helping people out yourself and getting a third party to force a person to give to another. One ismoral, one is not.
i don't see how you figure that ... sharing is not stealing from the neighbors to feed my guests, try again.
your point ?? so do i and in many more ways
(we've discussed it previously, mac & I)
no one is forcing anyone to do anything.
you already pay the taxes that support said program ... you've been doing it voluntarily for decades, why stop now ??
ok, NG ... this response is strictly for the purpose of learning.
Originally posted by NarrowGate
Originally posted by sirhumperdink
reply to post by beezzer
ok buddy ill remember your compassion (im sure jesus would be proud) when you and yours have no work no money and no innovations ill respect your wishes and let nature take its course
im no millionaire but im not doing too bad now and i only see things getting better i have no skin in this game im just telling you what i think is morally right and that most certainly does not involve being led by your wallet which you seem so proud ofedit on 11-12-2012 by sirhumperdink because: (no reason given)
I'm below the poverty line, and have been for almost 3 years, and do not agree with that members views. However, that comment you just made about our Lord is the worst thing I have seen posted here yet. Do not mock that persons Lord, you are touching on a subject that may or may not be dear to his heart. Further, you can not predict what Jesus would say about anything, you only know what He has said when establishing the New Covenant.
Other than that though, I completely agree. Please don't mock peoples beliefs over the internet. It is one thing to say their religion is leading them astray, and it is a completely different thing to say things like what you just did.
If you happen to be Christian (doubt it) I will quote something I seem to have to quote a lot around here "It is not what goes in your mouth that defiles you, it is what comes out of it."
On topic, yes you are responsible for all of your human brothers and sisters. I personally am my brothers keeper, IDK about you.
personally, i find this comment tougher than lean beef ... but i suppose, to each their own.
i have no skin in this game
i am not my brothers/sisters keeper but i will always lend him/her a hand (so long as i have one to spare).
On topic, yes you are responsible for all of your human brothers and sisters. I personally am my brothers keeper, IDK about you.