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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
The opportunities they are given to make their life better are specifically engineered to, at a certain point, flip a switch that causes them to start a balancing act between supporting themselves and breaking their backs to support the fat cats that go home with more money than they need.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Seriously, who need four houses? Who needs six cars? Who needs a trillion dollar mansion? Who needs servants? Who need a chauffeur?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
If more of those politicians lived like the people on the streets, if more of those fat cats learned how to go without more often, maybe we wouldn't have such a financial problem. And AGAIN, as I have clearly demonstrated in my original post (which you still have no acknowledged) food stamps clearly are not the problem.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Socialism is a result of capitalism. The same sort of people that ran communism are now in charge of capitalism, and they are doing the exact same thing with it. They take a hell of a lot more than they need, because they feel the need to burn money, and those who don't have money to burn have to work harder to get their share because it's all being carted away to vaults by men in black suits who have no names and will never be discussed.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Socialism is the child of capitalism. The government is forced to give to the public because the officials are greedy, and instead of taking it out of the pockets of the government friends, they take it from higher middle class and give it to lower middle class.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
You want someone to blame? Take a look at the Congress. Half of what they have, they can easily live without. Food stamps are a pithy issue compared to the mound of gold bars those birdies are perched on. You want to cut something? Start cutting stacks out of their monetary thrones.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Narrowgate, I never said any of those things. How dare you lie like that, and make me out to be some kind of drooling illogical Bible-thumping ignoramus? How dare you?
This is a respectable website, and you are displaying a contemptuous attitude with posts like that. I resent the way you have treated me and everyone here, and now you pull this kind of stunt? You go too far. Your post doesn't even have anything to do with the topic!
Originally posted by Honor93
i'm not the one playing games.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by NavyDoc
yes, i said that, to which you responded ...
since the difference between living on $700 per month and spending $700 for food a month, has to be pointed out to you, then clearly, you've NEVER done it
I've lived on much less than $700 for food a month, much less. It is not fun, but it is quite doable.
That's a rather stupid assumption. I have lived on less that $500 TOTAL a month before. Everytime you try to get your gotcha by playing semantics, you end up looking even more silly. You assume, with great prejudice I must add, than someone who is successful now, didn't have to struggle back in their past. This is blatantly false. I've struggled, I've done without, and that is why I know it can be done.
i can only respond to what you wrote and this is the first you said anything like the above ... "i have lived on less than $500 Total" ... had you said that the first time, perhaps you'd have gotten a different reply.
why are you trying to make me responsible for what YOU wrote ?
i have made no such assumption, where do you get off claiming i did ?
link it or find another bone to pick.
actually, most everyone i know had to "struggle" and in must worse conditions that we are today so what's your point ??
if we're going to engage a battle of "struggles", how's this one for starters ? www.jaha.org... ... during a recession, gas shortage and rations.
and that's just my personal history.
what in the world makes you think that i perceive other's success any less a struggle ??
me thinks you are reaching for straws because you have no solid argument.
then clearly, you've NEVER done it
this doesn't even qualify as reasonable let alone comparable
And this is where you fail. The taxpayer requires a service, say being a fireman. The fireman is hired to provide said service to the taxpayer. The taxpayer recieves the benefit of that service. Giving out a handout does not provide a service nor a good nor a benefit to the taxpayer. The fireman provides a service for his money. The welfare recipient does not. Quite a simple concept.
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by NavyDoc
this doesn't even qualify as reasonable let alone comparable
And this is where you fail. The taxpayer requires a service, say being a fireman. The fireman is hired to provide said service to the taxpayer. The taxpayer recieves the benefit of that service. Giving out a handout does not provide a service nor a good nor a benefit to the taxpayer. The fireman provides a service for his money. The welfare recipient does not. Quite a simple concept.
NO family food benefit equals the monthly payroll + benefits of ANY single government employee ... that is the MOST ridiculous argument i've read yet.
btw, bucket brigades didn't require "payment" for services. and, they used a whole lot more human effort to get the job done.
as ususal, we pay to develop the machines, build them, place them in service, then get told we're not good enough for a meal, got it.
every welfare recipient i know is AT THE LEAST, a parent.
tis a shame, yet again, parents are accused of not providing a service to their community
this is getting to be a common theme, anyone else noticing it?
Opportunity is not welfare. Please, if you don't know the difference, then there is no hope.
Whomever needs or wants them. When did you become the sole person to decide this?
Clearly you have not read what I stated, as all budgets need to be cut and welfare creates a dependency on Govt.
I have stated that the economy would be soaring if every Politician was paid the same wage that is the average for their precinct, district, county, city, state or national average.
So again with the need vs want stuff.
Is the money theirs? YESSSSS. Then they get to chose what it is spent on. Not you.
No, no it is not.
Again, for like the hundredth time, I agree, the Govt is TOO large.
Yet you want the Govt to continue to hand out free stuff.
One statement is in direct conflict with you other.
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by AfterInfinity
It's not so much the cost as it is the number of people dependent on government that is disturbing.
We now have a sizeable population dependent on government to eat! This is indicative of failed policy and it is only getting worse!
Originally posted by DoYouEvenLift
reply to post by NavyDoc
This tired argument..
How can someone that doesn't know how to do math be expected to read a book?!?!
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by DoYouEvenLift
reply to post by NavyDoc
This tired argument..
How can someone that doesn't know how to do math be expected to read a book?!?!
Got to be a tad more specific. One problem with a website that has a "reply to" without quoting button, is that sometimes you don't know what another person is referencing.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Now please tell me how a government that cannot be trusted with vaccinations or is responsible for destroying the family farm suddenly becomes altruistic where welfare is concerned?
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by DoYouEvenLift
reply to post by NavyDoc
This tired argument..
How can someone that doesn't know how to do math be expected to read a book?!?!
Got to be a tad more specific. One problem with a website that has a "reply to" without quoting button, is that sometimes you don't know what another person is referencing.
If you are referring to the comparing the salary of a government employee to a welfare benefit, the actual amount has nothing to do with the underlying principle--that one gets payment for a service provided and the other gets payment for nothing.edit on 11-12-2012 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NarrowGate
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by NarrowGate
These things are hardly comparable to being struck by lightning. Thanks for playing though
You want to play what ifs, that is a what if. I did enjoy playing. That was fun to point that out.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
I am only educated as far as a high school diploma, but they taught me about discussion and a form of logic.
Ok, now that is kind of weird, but sure.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Then I read the Bible, and I learned about context, logic, and proper discussion! That is where most of my education lies, so don't tell me about my sentence structure.
Sure sure.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
The way it works is you brought up invalid points, I brought up valid points, you refuse to refute said valid points with anything other than "what if you get hit by lightning"...
Yeah sure.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
No, it's the consolation prize.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
No one needs six cars unless they are strictly for business.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
When did you become the sole person to decide that a million people should starve because you can't spare a few dollars in beer money every two weeks to allow their purchase of peanut butter and bread for the local Dollar Tree?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
The government WANTS us to be dependent on them. That's the easiest way to keep us manageable. Create a demand, control the demand, and you have the minds of the people wrapped around your fat bejeweled finger.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
So your voice is the lone cry of selfish defiance against the raging howl of hunger? Because it looks like everyone else is happy to give a few dollars every week or so to keep a man, woman, or child fed. That's called compassion.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Socialism is a child of capitalism because capitalism is run by greedy people. They take an opportunity, they capitalize it, and every time they repeat the process, they have a bigger opportunity with bigger revenue that sucks the life out of the economy until the weaker people with less connections and less corporate booty to kiss have to work ten times as hard to get ten times less. And that's when socialism is necessary to keep the blue collars satisfied for another few decades until the corporations can figure out a clever way to keep their money and still make it look like they're doing something.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Because when everything runs on money, who wants to give up their green power? Especially when you're used to a posh lifestyle and couldn't imagine life without Jeeves and his warm towels ready to dry you the moment you exit your $800,000 jacuzzi so you can sleep in you $400,000 dollar bed that cost ten times more than a queen-sized that serves just as well.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
I never said that. If I did, I apologize. Either they continue to support the people they keep robbing, or they find a better way to manage capitalism. That's what I'm saying right now.