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Food Stamp Use Up 1.44 million in Just One Month

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posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by NarrowGate

Originally posted by NarrowGate

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by DoYouEvenLift
 

Yep.

Military member. A person that actually does a job, works for a living and has a high chance of being placed in harms way. The Military member works for the benefits received.


VS.

Welfare recipient. A large amount of people that don't' work or produce anything. A small amount that do work, but have low paying jobs that are not the fault of society. People in this category don't work for the benefits they receive.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder what the difference is.


Does this make you feel better than others?

I commend your service, and I have family who have killed and been shot for this country so I have a right to talk about this.

They specifically did not return with this attitude, but I did notice that the attitude is propagated within the military. Would you care to comment more on this? When I go to the dollar store they ask if I would like to donate to poor military families. Sounds to me like they need to refuse to serve until they get a pay raise but w/e. This is coming from someone who was med'd out of 11D OSUT (and rightfully so) and is now on food stamps.


Am I going to get a response on this? I understand you got caught up arguing with people.

As for your comments on "they knew blah blah". What if they lose their bonus because they get hurt in OSUT? What if they get their bonus stolen in fine print on the way to OSUT (If you say it doesn't happen, you are misinformed it happened to people in my cycle). What if they got their leg blown off half way through their contract and lost their bonus for not finishing their contract (my cousin, who was a respected Scout, is the one who informed me of it. He was in in the beginning of Iraq, for context, and is one of those who got a purple heart and had to take human life while trying to save lives but being left unable to thanks to the chain of command....



And these points. Honestly and in context please. Sorry, my computer is moving at a crawl.




posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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Then go ahead.
I help as well.
I don't agree with the Govt taking from me to give to others.


But you'll take from others to give to yourself?


Doesn't matter.
It is a slippery slope. Just look to the age group of 18-28. They are now of the entitlement mentality.


Because they're not entitled to sustenance, right? Shame on them for thinking they deserve to eat. Yes, it does matter.


I thought YOU wanted to help, not the Govt.
It is a band-aid that needs to be pulled off. It will hurt, but will provide air to the wound.


Refer to my first post in this thread. If you think that getting rid of food stamps will even put a scratch in our national debt, you're blind.


No, it ain't right that the Govt steals from some to give to others.


Isn't that what you did as a soldier? You took our funding, our food and our resources to violate someone else's rights in another country because we want THEIR resources too. Who cares if you suffered pain and trauma while doing it? Karma's one crazy lady, and she doesn't discriminate no matter what kind of politicians you have spewing BS at her feet.

If you don't like the way we care for the sick, elderly, and incapacitated in this country, then go to another country so that when America decides it wants more resources, your brothers in arms can kick in YOUR door, throw YOU to the wall, haul away YOUR children, and take everything that belongs to you.

If you aren't man enough to give your spares away to a family in need, then someone with a family to feed can be man enough to TAKE them away. Because someday you're going to need a favor, and someone's going to say, "Brother, what have you ever given me? I don't owe you any favors."



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posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by NarrowGate


As for your comments on "they knew blah blah". What if they lose their bonus because they get hurt in OSUT?
What if they get their bonus stolen in fine print on the way to OSUT (If you say it doesn't happen, you are misinformed it happened to people in my cycle). What if they got their leg blown off half way through their contract and lost their bonus for not finishing their contract (my cousin, who was a respected Scout, is the one who informed me of it. He was in in the beginning of Iraq, for context, and is one of those who got a purple heart and had to take human life while trying to save lives but being left unable to thanks to the chain of command....

What if you step outside and get struck by lightening?
That is the reason why the VA was established, and the hundreds of private charity groups dedicated to wounded vets.

What is the point of the question.



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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It's not so much the cost as it is the number of people dependent on government that is disturbing.

We now have a sizeable population dependent on government to eat! This is indicative of failed policy and it is only getting worse!



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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These things are hardly comparable to being struck by lightning. Thanks for playing though


I am only educated as far as a high school diploma, but they taught me about discussion and a form of logic.

Then I read the Bible, and I learned about context, logic, and proper discussion! That is where most of my education lies, so don't tell me about my sentence structure.

The way it works is you brought up invalid points, I brought up valid points, you refuse to refute said valid points with anything other than "what if you get hit by lightning"...
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posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:26 PM
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How did Mac take from others to give to himself? He was hired by our government to do a job. One can disagree how your elected officials utilize the military, but you cannot deny that keeping up a military is one of the duties of the federal government as outlined in our Constitution and that those members are not providing a service.

How do you get that Mac is selfish? He already said, repeatedly, that he helps others gladly and that he encourages others to do the same. He believes in charity and helping those unfortuante than himself. What he disagrees with is the concept of forced charity. I don't doubt that he would have no problem helping you out if you fell on hard times, he just does not want to be forced to do so by his government. It is always easy to be generous with someone else's money.

Looks like you advocated theft "man enough to take it away from you." That mentality is part of the problem.



If you aren't man enough to give your spares away to a family in need, then someone with a family to feed can be man enough to TAKE them away.



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posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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that is concluded from your posts in this thread alone.

if you aren't meaning to sound so brittle and unconcerned for your fellow humans need/right to food, perhaps a change in tone might be a good start ?

remember, the government is actively DESTROYING home gardens, community gardens, organic farms and on and on and on.

as the government reduces our ability to feed ourselves by growing our own, what do you propose is an answer ?

btw, Obamacare is ONLY insurance with a humungous bureaucracy attached.
i cannot believe you actually believe what you typed


i was referring to a helping hand from neighbors ... nvm
[around here it comes naturally - but don't get me wrong, we have our drive-bys and axe wielders too]

reference --> you stated that i didn't know what you donate and i stated you weren't offering that info so it must be irrelevant.

well then, you're guys aren't the wounded ones mine are.
most of those i know are not well off, one foot in the grave and ask me for a ride to the charity so they can get food staples to supplement their miniscule food stamps. [most whom i know get less than $200/mo) and then, i come here and read ppl who say if you have a vehicle, you're not broke enough to deserve it ... wtf ?
[not from you but others]

i'm glad to hear so many aren't in equally dire straits ... but make no mistake, they are many not few. and from what i've seen, the VA is a disgrace on more levels than i care to discuss.


I stated ALL didn't I. Or are you just glossing over that?
uh, NO, i quoted it



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity


But you'll take from others to give to yourself?

I have taken nothing.
I did earn a paycheck, but nothing was taken.




Originally posted by AfterInfinity

Because they're not entitled to sustenance, right? Shame on them for thinking they deserve to eat. Yes, it does matter.

No, they don't deserve to live on the backs of others, being forced at gun point to provide.
They do deserve the OPPORTUNITY to make their life better.



Originally posted by AfterInfinity

Refer to my first post in this thread. If you think that getting rid of food stamps will even put a scratch in our national debt, you're blind.

And please refer to my other posts stating it is a start, that all budgets needs to be cut and that it is just a slippery slope of dependency on Govt.




Originally posted by AfterInfinity

Isn't that what you did as a soldier? You took our funding, our food and our resources to violate someone else's rights in another country because we want THEIR resources too. Who cares if you suffered pain and trauma while doing it? Karma's one crazy lady, and she doesn't discriminate no matter what kind of politicians you have spewing BS at her feet.

Nope. Not even close. I took nothing.




Originally posted by AfterInfinity
If you don't like the way we care for the sick, elderly, and incapacitated in this country, then go to another country so that when America decides it wants more resources, your brothers in arms can kick in YOUR door, throw YOU to the wall, haul away YOUR children, and take everything that belongs to you.

Really?? This is the stand you have chosen, within a topic about food stamps. Ok then.
Social programs are not the founding principles of this country. They are Progressive and Socialism style ideals.




Originally posted by AfterInfinity
If you aren't man enough to give your spares away to a family in need, then someone with a family to feed can be man enough to TAKE them away.

Oh, geez. I say bring it then tough guy. I am not really scared of someone like you or others.
I do personally donate time and money.
You operate of the ignorant opinion that I do not.
YOU want the GOVT to provide for all wants and woes.
So far, it has been a miserable failure in that.



Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Because someday you're going to need a favor, and someone's going to say, "Brother, what have you ever given me? I don't owe you any favors."


Yeah, sure sure. Because you know me, and I have stated I don't donate time and money.
Ok then. Ta-ta.



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by NarrowGate

These things are hardly comparable to being struck by lightning. Thanks for playing though


You want to play what ifs, that is a what if. I did enjoy playing. That was fun to point that out.




Originally posted by AfterInfinity
I am only educated as far as a high school diploma, but they taught me about discussion and a form of logic.

Ok, now that is kind of weird, but sure.




Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Then I read the Bible, and I learned about context, logic, and proper discussion! That is where most of my education lies, so don't tell me about my sentence structure.

Sure sure.




Originally posted by AfterInfinity
The way it works is you brought up invalid points, I brought up valid points, you refuse to refute said valid points with anything other than "what if you get hit by lightning"...


Yeah sure.



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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LOL. So let me get this straight: the same malicious, corrupt government that is killing people with vaccinations and destroying the family farm is the same altruistic government that is the only thing that can feed poor people and must be trusted with redistribution of billions of dollars to the underprivileged. LOL.



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Honor93



btw, Obamacare is ONLY insurance with a humungous bureaucracy attached.




Obama care is a siphon.

And when so many are on Food stamps, the worst thing you can do is raise Taxes on the Middle Classes Jobs.


"The medical technology industry directly employs over 400,000 people in the United States and is responsible for a total of 2 million high-skilled manufacturing jobs," Minnesota Democratic Sen. Amy Klobuchar and North Carolina Democratic Sen. Kay Hagan wrote in a letter with 16 other senators and senators-elect Monday to Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid. "In an environment focused on increasing exports, promoting small businesses and growing high-tech manufacturing jobs for the future, we must do all we can to ensure that our country maintains its global leadership position in the medical technology industry and keeps good jobs here at home."


Dems join in calling for delay to ObamaCare medical device tax

Seems the Dems who were willing to pass it, without even looking at it, are finding out how harmful it REALLY is.

Say it aint so, Harry????



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Did anyone else notice he just defended taking away peoples bonuses who lose a limb in combat before finishing their contract?

I am so happy I am not serving....

"Today's military drop outs are tomorrows unemployed". That is almost right, I have not been able to find a decent job that pays more than 10, but at least I am not forced to listen to an NCO who uses your form of logic.

If someone loses a limb in combat, I think a rich man should throw them 100,000 at the very least. If that ever happens, it is indeed comparable to being struck by lightning.


Please don't make me go quote you to show how this applies. I am sick of people playing that game. You know the quote is there.
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posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Oh come on. Don't be a dummy.
Things will be different once all Govt is reflective of the idea that "I am the Govt, and I know what's best" and we just hand over more money and control.

It is for the children, didn't you know that??



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Yep, because that is exactly what I stated.
Care to provide that quote?



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by NarrowGate
reply to post by macman
 


Did anyone else notice he just defended taking away peoples bonuses who lose a limb in combat before finishing their contract?

I am so happy I am not serving....

"Today's military drop outs are tomorrows unemployed". That is almost right, I have not been able to find a decent job that pays more than 10, but at least I am not forced to listen to an NCO who uses your form of logic.

If someone loses a limb in combat, I think a rich man should throw them 100,000 at the very least. If that ever happens, it is indeed comparable to being struck by lightning.


Please don't make me go quote you to show how this applies. I am sick of people playing that game. You know the quote is there.
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What does ANY of this have to do with Food Stamps????




posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by NarrowGate

These things are hardly comparable to being struck by lightning. Thanks for playing though


You want to play what ifs, that is a what if. I did enjoy playing. That was fun to point that out.




Originally posted by AfterInfinity
I am only educated as far as a high school diploma, but they taught me about discussion and a form of logic.

Ok, now that is kind of weird, but sure.




Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Then I read the Bible, and I learned about context, logic, and proper discussion! That is where most of my education lies, so don't tell me about my sentence structure.

Sure sure.




Originally posted by AfterInfinity
The way it works is you brought up invalid points, I brought up valid points, you refuse to refute said valid points with anything other than "what if you get hit by lightning"...


Yeah sure.




do we really want this kind of thinking representing our country overseas?

There is a quote button. Reply to all of the points I bring up, in context. You have never done that. Why is that I wonder? I think it is obvious but ok.



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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No, they don't deserve to live on the backs of others, being forced at gun point to provide.
They do deserve the OPPORTUNITY to make their life better.


The opportunities they are given to make their life better are specifically engineered to, at a certain point, flip a switch that causes them to start a balancing act between supporting themselves and breaking their backs to support the fat cats that go home with more money than they need. Seriously, who need four houses? Who needs six cars? Who needs a trillion dollar mansion? Who needs servants? Who need a chauffeur?

If more of those politicians lived like the people on the streets, if more of those fat cats learned how to go without more often, maybe we wouldn't have such a financial problem. And AGAIN, as I have clearly demonstrated in my original post (which you still have no acknowledged) food stamps clearly are not the problem.


Really?? This is the stand you have chosen, within a topic about food stamps. Ok then.
Social programs are not the founding principles of this country. They are Progressive and Socialism style ideals.


Socialism is a result of capitalism. The same sort of people that ran communism are now in charge of capitalism, and they are doing the exact same thing with it. They take a hell of a lot more than they need, because they feel the need to burn money, and those who don't have money to burn have to work harder to get their share because it's all being carted away to vaults by men in black suits who have no names and will never be discussed.

Socialism is the child of capitalism. The government is forced to give to the public because the officials are greedy, and instead of taking it out of the pockets of the government friends, they take it from higher middle class and give it to lower middle class.

You want someone to blame? Take a look at the Congress. Half of what they have, they can easily live without. Food stamps are a pithy issue compared to the mound of gold bars those birdies are perched on. You want to cut something? Start cutting stacks out of their monetary thrones.



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:41 PM
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He said he is a working person in the military who works to provide my welfare. I explained why his logic is invalid, and provided supporting statements and context for him. You would have to read back a few pages.



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:41 PM
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Darrin, you are funny.



posted on Dec, 11 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by NavyDoc
 

yes, i said that, to which you responded ...

I've lived on much less than $700 for food a month, much less. It is not fun, but it is quite doable.
since the difference between living on $700 per month and spending $700 for food a month, has to be pointed out to you, then clearly, you've NEVER done it


That's a rather stupid assumption. I have lived on less that $500 TOTAL a month before. Everytime you try to get your gotcha by playing semantics, you end up looking even more silly. You assume, with great prejudice I must add, than someone who is successful now, didn't have to struggle back in their past. This is blatantly false. I've struggled, I've done without, and that is why I know it can be done.
i'm not the one playing games.
i can only respond to what you wrote and this is the first you said anything like the above ... "i have lived on less than $500 Total" ... had you said that the first time, perhaps you'd have gotten a different reply.

why are you trying to make me responsible for what YOU wrote ?
i have made no such assumption, where do you get off claiming i did ?
link it or find another bone to pick.

actually, most everyone i know had to "struggle" and in must worse conditions that we are today so what's your point ??

if we're going to engage a battle of "struggles", how's this one for starters ? www.jaha.org... ... during a recession, gas shortage and rations.
and that's just my personal history.

what in the world makes you think that i perceive other's success any less a struggle ??
me thinks you are reaching for straws because you have no solid argument.



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