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Originally posted by NarrowGate
Originally posted by NarrowGate
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by DoYouEvenLift
Yep.
Military member. A person that actually does a job, works for a living and has a high chance of being placed in harms way. The Military member works for the benefits received.
VS.
Welfare recipient. A large amount of people that don't' work or produce anything. A small amount that do work, but have low paying jobs that are not the fault of society. People in this category don't work for the benefits they receive.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder what the difference is.
Does this make you feel better than others?
I commend your service, and I have family who have killed and been shot for this country so I have a right to talk about this.
They specifically did not return with this attitude, but I did notice that the attitude is propagated within the military. Would you care to comment more on this? When I go to the dollar store they ask if I would like to donate to poor military families. Sounds to me like they need to refuse to serve until they get a pay raise but w/e. This is coming from someone who was med'd out of 11D OSUT (and rightfully so) and is now on food stamps.
Am I going to get a response on this? I understand you got caught up arguing with people.
As for your comments on "they knew blah blah". What if they lose their bonus because they get hurt in OSUT? What if they get their bonus stolen in fine print on the way to OSUT (If you say it doesn't happen, you are misinformed it happened to people in my cycle). What if they got their leg blown off half way through their contract and lost their bonus for not finishing their contract (my cousin, who was a respected Scout, is the one who informed me of it. He was in in the beginning of Iraq, for context, and is one of those who got a purple heart and had to take human life while trying to save lives but being left unable to thanks to the chain of command....
Then go ahead.
I help as well.
I don't agree with the Govt taking from me to give to others.
Doesn't matter.
It is a slippery slope. Just look to the age group of 18-28. They are now of the entitlement mentality.
I thought YOU wanted to help, not the Govt.
It is a band-aid that needs to be pulled off. It will hurt, but will provide air to the wound.
No, it ain't right that the Govt steals from some to give to others.
Originally posted by NarrowGate
As for your comments on "they knew blah blah". What if they lose their bonus because they get hurt in OSUT?
What if they get their bonus stolen in fine print on the way to OSUT (If you say it doesn't happen, you are misinformed it happened to people in my cycle). What if they got their leg blown off half way through their contract and lost their bonus for not finishing their contract (my cousin, who was a respected Scout, is the one who informed me of it. He was in in the beginning of Iraq, for context, and is one of those who got a purple heart and had to take human life while trying to save lives but being left unable to thanks to the chain of command....
If you aren't man enough to give your spares away to a family in need, then someone with a family to feed can be man enough to TAKE them away.
uh, NO, i quoted it
I stated ALL didn't I. Or are you just glossing over that?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
But you'll take from others to give to yourself?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Because they're not entitled to sustenance, right? Shame on them for thinking they deserve to eat. Yes, it does matter.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Refer to my first post in this thread. If you think that getting rid of food stamps will even put a scratch in our national debt, you're blind.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Isn't that what you did as a soldier? You took our funding, our food and our resources to violate someone else's rights in another country because we want THEIR resources too. Who cares if you suffered pain and trauma while doing it? Karma's one crazy lady, and she doesn't discriminate no matter what kind of politicians you have spewing BS at her feet.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
If you don't like the way we care for the sick, elderly, and incapacitated in this country, then go to another country so that when America decides it wants more resources, your brothers in arms can kick in YOUR door, throw YOU to the wall, haul away YOUR children, and take everything that belongs to you.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
If you aren't man enough to give your spares away to a family in need, then someone with a family to feed can be man enough to TAKE them away.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Because someday you're going to need a favor, and someone's going to say, "Brother, what have you ever given me? I don't owe you any favors."
Originally posted by NarrowGate
These things are hardly comparable to being struck by lightning. Thanks for playing though
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
I am only educated as far as a high school diploma, but they taught me about discussion and a form of logic.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Then I read the Bible, and I learned about context, logic, and proper discussion! That is where most of my education lies, so don't tell me about my sentence structure.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
The way it works is you brought up invalid points, I brought up valid points, you refuse to refute said valid points with anything other than "what if you get hit by lightning"...
Originally posted by Honor93
btw, Obamacare is ONLY insurance with a humungous bureaucracy attached.
"The medical technology industry directly employs over 400,000 people in the United States and is responsible for a total of 2 million high-skilled manufacturing jobs," Minnesota Democratic Sen. Amy Klobuchar and North Carolina Democratic Sen. Kay Hagan wrote in a letter with 16 other senators and senators-elect Monday to Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid. "In an environment focused on increasing exports, promoting small businesses and growing high-tech manufacturing jobs for the future, we must do all we can to ensure that our country maintains its global leadership position in the medical technology industry and keeps good jobs here at home."
Originally posted by NarrowGate
reply to post by macman
Did anyone else notice he just defended taking away peoples bonuses who lose a limb in combat before finishing their contract?
I am so happy I am not serving....
"Today's military drop outs are tomorrows unemployed". That is almost right, I have not been able to find a decent job that pays more than 10, but at least I am not forced to listen to an NCO who uses your form of logic.
If someone loses a limb in combat, I think a rich man should throw them 100,000 at the very least. If that ever happens, it is indeed comparable to being struck by lightning.
Please don't make me go quote you to show how this applies. I am sick of people playing that game. You know the quote is there.edit on 11-12-2012 by NarrowGate because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by NarrowGate
These things are hardly comparable to being struck by lightning. Thanks for playing though
You want to play what ifs, that is a what if. I did enjoy playing. That was fun to point that out.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
I am only educated as far as a high school diploma, but they taught me about discussion and a form of logic.
Ok, now that is kind of weird, but sure.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Then I read the Bible, and I learned about context, logic, and proper discussion! That is where most of my education lies, so don't tell me about my sentence structure.
Sure sure.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
The way it works is you brought up invalid points, I brought up valid points, you refuse to refute said valid points with anything other than "what if you get hit by lightning"...
Yeah sure.
No, they don't deserve to live on the backs of others, being forced at gun point to provide.
They do deserve the OPPORTUNITY to make their life better.
Really?? This is the stand you have chosen, within a topic about food stamps. Ok then.
Social programs are not the founding principles of this country. They are Progressive and Socialism style ideals.
i'm not the one playing games.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by NavyDoc
yes, i said that, to which you responded ...
since the difference between living on $700 per month and spending $700 for food a month, has to be pointed out to you, then clearly, you've NEVER done it
I've lived on much less than $700 for food a month, much less. It is not fun, but it is quite doable.
That's a rather stupid assumption. I have lived on less that $500 TOTAL a month before. Everytime you try to get your gotcha by playing semantics, you end up looking even more silly. You assume, with great prejudice I must add, than someone who is successful now, didn't have to struggle back in their past. This is blatantly false. I've struggled, I've done without, and that is why I know it can be done.