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Originally posted by rapunzel222
i have seen some cool pics of this blue star - probably the blue kachina predicted by the Hopi Indians. One was a NASA foto.
Originally posted by rwfresh
Go look up in the sky right now. Do you see a moon? If not, the moon is a hoax.
Never mind that it might be daytime, never mind that it might be cloudy, never mind that it might be a moonless night.
I don't believe there is a "second sun" floating around the sun.. but i don't believe there couldn't be something that could eventually be classified as a "second sun" under some unknown condition that could be under a set of very specific atmospheric and heavenly conditions be photographed.
The fact that there is ABSOLUTELY no WAY you can prove otherwise makes calling this a hoax a hoax in and of itself.
Go ahead and PROVE this photo is hoax. All i see is a bunch of self proclaimed internet scientists attempting and failing at discounting it.
It's not a hoax.. it's your opinion it's a hoax until it's proven otherwise. And seriously, everyone here seems very open to the idea that it's a hoax. I know i am. If the proof is presented fine. It would seem very likely that it IS a hoax but not one person has provided any actual proof.
Originally posted by rapunzel222
reply to post by CottonwoodStormy
As with many threads on ATS, i do not think this one belongs in the hoax section at ALL.
who makes these decisions? The ATS mafia?
Originally posted by neformore
reply to post by PeterGriffin
Maybe you should re-read my post above, and address the scientific facts I've mentioned, rather than lamely trying to assasinate my character?
Originally posted by PeterGriffin
reply to post by neformore
If someone took a photo and a ghost appeared after the film was developed could the person simply say "let me go back in the room and see if the ghost is still there.....nope, the ghost is not there....I must be hoaxing myself"
Originally posted by PeterGriffin
In a nutshell, all you've said to prove your point is "I walked outside and didn't see a 2nd sun, so it's a hoax"...."everyone knows there is only one sun, so it's a hoax"....
How else can I prove it? Well, we're still breathing. Any additional star that was introduced into our solar system would massively destabilise the balance of the system, the planetary orbits, the goldilocks zone etc. There would be increased radiation and a huge amount of disruption.
You want more? Our science has detected all kinds of objects out in space. From Brown Dwarfs to Black Holes to quasars, pulsars and extra solar planets, and yet you seem to want to believe that someone with a camera is the only person to be able to see a second star, in our system "under certain atmospheric conditions"
Originally posted by neformore
If you don't read what I'm writing, how can you condemn it?
Originally posted by neformore
reply to post by PeterGriffin
Maybe you should re-read my post above, and address the scientific facts I've mentioned, rather than lamely trying to assasinate my character?
Originally posted by PeterGriffin
reply to post by neformore
If someone took a photo and a ghost appeared after the film was developed could the person simply say "let me go back in the room and see if the ghost is still there.....nope, the ghost is not there....I must be hoaxing myself"
Originally posted by PeterGriffin
reply to post by boymonkey74
The discussion is not whether it is real or not real. The discussion is that it should not be in the "Hoax" bin. There was no hoax being made.
Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy
Originally posted by PeterGriffin
reply to post by boymonkey74
The discussion is not whether it is real or not real. The discussion is that it should not be in the "Hoax" bin. There was no hoax being made.
YES, thats the point, its not a hoax whether the object was a lens flare, a second sun or a star. The person who took this photo thought it legitimate enough to submit it to mufon, which is supposedly a legitimate national reporting site for real observations. Even if this person is wrong, does not mean they purposely deceived in presenting what they thought they saw, meaning not a hoax!
Originally posted by PeterGriffin
reply to post by neformore
If someone took a photo and a ghost appeared after the film was developed could the person simply say "let me go back in the room and see if the ghost is still there.....nope, the ghost is not there....I must be hoaxing myself"
Originally posted by boymonkey74
The fact the person claims they were taken over three days and if you look at them that is clearly not true.
So the person who made the original claim is lying therefore a hoaxer.
OP look and read your own OP here
On 11-3-2012, I took two pictures of the sunset. Later that night while reviewing the pictures, I noticed that the sun had another sphere on the left side of it. Both were taken from the window of my van while I was driving with 20 seconds in between each photo. If it was glare, it would have bounced around because of me driving and appeared in different spots..
3 days more like 20 secs.
edit on 12-12-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)