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reply to post by Deetermined
"to put away sin by the sacrifice of him 'self'."
Well... that's what happened. otherwise they were taxed into submission. I'm just stating I don't think Jesus would have gathered troops to retake Jerusalem from the Romans, it would go against everything he taught.
I just don't understand why Islam calls Jesus the messiah, yet Muhammad lived by the sword. isn't that contradictory?
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
It isn't. Jesus never set foot into Kedar and Jesus never shamed the idolaters of Kedar.
Isaiah 42 refers to a non-Israelite prophet.... who shamed the idolaters of Kedar and the wilderness, i.e - Arabia. The entire chapter is about the transformation of the lives of people who lived in the darkness of idolatry.
Ok. So God didn't want Jesus to make war and taught ultimate pacifism to the masses. While Muhammad was told to rally an army and take Mecca. Still sounds like conflict of interests or am I just ignorant?
First of all, this is referring to the Kedarites (the Tribe of Kedar), but who are the Kedarites? They are a scattered tribe, but "the inhabitants of the rock" are the ones who will be singing and they are not the Kedarites.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
As for the "inhabitants of the rock", it could refers to the people called Thamud, where people carved homes out of rocks.
The Thamud weren't the inhabitants of "the rock",
nor were they singers
The Korahites in the Bible were that portion of the Kohathites that descended from Korah.
They were an important branch of the singers of the Kohathite division (2 Chronicles 20:19).
There are twelve psalms (Psalms 42; 43; 44; 45; 46; 47; 48; 49; 84; 85; 87; 88) composed by the sons of Korah.
Question: "Who were the sons of Korah in the Old Testament?"
Answer: The story of the sons of Korah in the Old Testament is truly a tale of two fathers and two destinies. The story begins with the Israelites of Moses’ time as they journeyed through the wilderness just after leaving Egypt. In Numbers Chapter 3, God set aside the Levites, out of the tribes of Israel, for full time service to Him. They were ordained to take care of the tabernacle and all of its implements, as well as the Ark of the Covenant. Only the descendants of Moses and Aaron, however, were allowed to serve as priests.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by Deetermined
And just what are you trying to prove with that bit about Korahites?
Its simple.
Isaiah 42 refers to a certain "servant of God" who made a difference in Kedar and the wilderness.... a land infested with idolatry and polytheism. This servant of God shamed the idolaters and established the worship of God over there.
Only Mohammad fulfilled this prophecy as no Israelite prophet had anything to do with that land.
David then began fighting wars against Israel’s neighbors on the east bank of the Jordan. He defeated the Moabites, the Edomites, the Ammonites and the Arameans. These wars began as defensive wars, but ended with the establishment of a Davidic empire that extended over both sides of the Jordan River, as far as the Mediterranean Sea. David enforced justice in his empire and established civil and military administrations in Jerusalem, modeled after those of the Canaanites and Egyptians. He divided the country into twelve districts, each with its own civil, military and religious institutions. He also established Jerusalem as the secular and religious center of the country. Each district paid taxes to Jerusalem and the people began to make pilgrimages to Jerusalem each year on the holidays of Passover, Shavout and Sukkot.
David (Hebrew: דָּוִד, דָּוִיד, Modern David Tiberian Dāwîḏ; ISO 259-3 Dawid; Arabic: داود Dāwūd; Strong's: Daveed) according to the Hebrew Bible, was the second king of the United Kingdom of Israel and, according to the New Testament Gospels of Matthew and Luke an ancestor of Jesus.
His life is conventionally dated to c. 1040–970 BCE, his reign over Judah c. 1010–1002 BCE,[1] and his reign over the United Kingdom of Israel c. 1002–970 BCE.[1]
The Kedarites were another nomadic Arabic people, just like their cousins, the Nabataeans. They occupied the desert regions of eastern Syria and present day Jordan, on the edge of the Levant.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Christians believe and teach that accepting Jesus died on the cross for sins guarantees one a free ticket to heaven.
The Christians merely co-existed with the polytheists and the idolaters.
It was only Mohammad, who through force, destroyed the idols and established a religion that worshipped the God of Abraham and recognized Jesus as messiah
First of all, we've already established the fact that the location being talked about was in Jordan, which used to be a part of Judah.
Jesus never commanded us to convert by the sword. He commanded to preach the word to all the world and for those who did not their own sins would judge them.
God indeed devoured and destroyed through Mohammad. That was his prophetic mission... to use force to decimate the polytheists and the idolaters.
No, God did not destroy through Muhammad. God doesn't need a man to do his dirty work. Go look at Sodom and Gomorrah, they both still stand to this day as testiment that he doesn't need men to pass judgement for him.
Israel was the chosen people because they were chosen to be the priests of the nations (gentiles) to offer up the sacrifice for all mankind's sins (Christ).
Did Jesus authorize Muhammad to murder nonbelivers? Nope, he didn't because those judgements are reserved for the final judgement at the end of his millenial reign. So how did Muhammad get from loving your eneimes and neighbors, taught by Messiah, to killing your eneimes and neighbors? Jesus never forced conversion.