Hahaha... Here's the funny thing... Atheists are Christians, Christians are Muslims, Muslims are Jews, Jews are Atheists and so on... God, or NO God, it's all in YOUR mind... So in theory, NO God, YOUR God or YOU ARE God.. "I Am Who I Am", is made up in your head...

Here's somethings i would like to know... "Amon Ra" is the Egyptian Sun God, the main God, the God of life... But why do Christians say "Amen", Jews say "Ah Mein", and Muslims say "Ah Meen", after a prayer?

Second, why do Christians rest on the "Sun's Day", not the "Son's Day" or God's Day?

And third, when your filled with the Holy Spirit, or the light, you become enlightened, and there's a light or glow around your head.. So, why is Buddah, called the enlightened state, represented by a chakra above the head? And why is Amon Ra, portrayed with a large sun disk around his?

I feel there's many organizations who push their agenda on ATS.
Most people on ATS are no doubt unaffiliated, but I know there's some people affiliated, most likely with any activist organization you can think of.

So there might be a few "new athiest" people, but the vast majority of athiests are independently doing it, I believe.

Originally posted by trysts
Hilarious! You must have forgotten that you read my first comment in this thread, and then you said I was on a crusade because of some "inner" problem I have that I won't confront. The religious people don't live inside me, and are not my imagination.

That's the whole point isn't it? Finding an outer scapegoat...

Originally posted by trysts
They are an external problem.

I'm not saying they are not a problem. I'm saying most atheists are becoming a part of the problem my propagating violence towards them, thus making the actions pretty much the same as the violence that religious people have committed, to reach their goals.

Originally posted by trysts
They believe in things that don't exist, which would not be so bad if they didn't have churches on every corner conducting bizarre ceremonies with their children by their side. Then they get into politics, creating schizms based upon angels and demons.

That's not really a problem of religion. That's a problem of politicians being retarded and the system being broken. And corporations' lobbying is way more damaging than religious lobbying. People should stop trying to make states religious, I agree there. However, religion was invented as a state method of control in the first place, and the current state is an effect of that invention in the past. There is no real difference between imaginary demons and real ones. In the past imaginary ones were enough, currently there is always a 'real' demon. There's always a war on something. War on drugs, war on poverty, war on cancer, these are all the modern representation of these demons to keep people under control. This is going off-topic though, so let's move on.

Originally posted by trysts
Their children go through the brainwashing that grandma may burn in hell for eternity, but you shouldn't worry about it because you won't.

Is that your past talking?

Originally posted by trysts
This is probably why it's so simple for people not to care if their country is bombing other countries, because they have been brought up to neglect the most extreme notions of suffering--like eternal suffering-- so long as it's not happening to them in their country.

So... We have to make the religious suffer and that will make everything alright...?

Originally posted by trysts
I didn't say you were religious, I said you were dishonest. Ignoring the problem of religious people is like ignoring a tumor.

I'm not ignoring the problem. I'm only pointing out that by resorting to the current methods most atheists use, they are becoming a part of the problem rather than resolving it. Like I said in my prior post, aggression does not work. How many religious have been 'converted' to atheism by slander, which is the most prevalent method among atheists? Is it unexpected, that people don't make an effort and in the worst case completely reject all atheists, when you basically already rejected what they think or even ridicule them for thinking it without having a proper conversation? Why would anyone choose to listen to you, let alone join you when the first thing you do is make them feel like a social outcast?

You all know this. Don't pretend you don't. This is not about making the world a better place. This is about making yourself feel better, and using that argument as an excuse.

Many so called Atheists on ATS are far more zealous and hate filled than a lot of the so called Christians here. But this old argument goes both ways. Whenever we get an pro Christian or pro God or pro religion threads, and we know they pop up everyday, usually the first poster is a person from the atheist camp always ready to mock, put down or basically tell us they know for a fact there is no higher power and we all need to listen to them because they know. Same as when ever we get anti Christian or anti God or anti religion threads, and we know they pop up everyday, usually the first poster is someone quoting long verses from the bible that in their minds explain everything and we should all just listen to them because they know.
We can all agree that religion has killed millions of people over the centuries through endless persecutions, and its not just Christians, its Islamist, Hindu's, Sikhs, and hundreds of other sects and offshoots all over the world that have participated in murder in the name of religion. But at the same time many peoples lives have been saved by various religious organizations through food, shelter, water and many missionary works all over the world.
We can all also agree that science, which is really the religion of Atheists, has killed millions of people over the centuries through endless wars, waged with weapons created with science, such as atomic bombs, chemical weapons,and so on, many atheists have blood on their hands through murder in the name of science. But also at the same time science has saved millions of lives through vaccines, medicines, better health care for our children and so on.
So the way I see it there is a constant balance between the two camps, both pro and con that will never end this debate. Unless people can put aside their zealous beliefs in either camp and look at the bigger picture, this fight will never end.

I do not like to call myself a Christian because the term has been so tainted and dirtied over the centuries, but I do believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ. I don't claim to have all the answers and I don't claim to belong to either camp, but to continually see this never ending battle here and the way both sides dig in and the simmering hatred that ensues, really bothers me and doesn't seem to fit with the ATS spirit of tolerance and intelligence.
To the Atheists: Just because we can't see something physically it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We can't see air or the wind but we know it's there, so If there are people on ATS who can humble themselves before an invisible presence and wish to express that feeling to others I don't see that as a problem.

To the religious: Just because people want to chose their own path in life and be the controller of their own destiny doesn't mean they are going to hell or God will stop loving them. The way I see it as well is God is science and science is God. If he created everything about us then he created science and if people want to embrace science and they want to express those feeling to others I don't see a problem with that also.

So I plead to all members here to stop creating Threads just to flame either side and create further division.
We are all right and we are all wrong. Just take a second to think before you feel the need to flame and troll someones thread be it religious or atheist.