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posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:45 AM
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Originally posted by HIWATT


Yes, this website is dominated by anti-religious sentiment - for anyone with a moral core out there reading - you should be aware of this before you decide to spend any time here.

For the people reading this who disagree with me, think about what I said.




Underlined above another cliche used by religious zealots against atheists, well guess what I have morals , happily married for many years, 2 kids brought up well, who don't cause problems for others they have done well at school never been in trouble with the police etc they have never attended church unless taken by the school.

They have turned out all right the same for my wife and myself only ever at church if dragged along for a wedding/funeral etc.

So do you want to explain your comment?

Although religious people like to think they have the monopoly on morality YOU DON'T.




posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:46 AM
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Dear HIWATT,

I want my wine and cigarettes. LOL.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:47 AM
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Originally posted by uwascallywabbit
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knowledge of my diet equates to ignorance?

i think that you need to put down your shovel before you make your hole deeper pal

and if I got out argued by a stoned bacardi drunk on the internet Id have the good taste to tuck my tail between my legs and GO TO BED

and maybe even READ A BOOK when i woke up

note that that book must NOT be the king james translation



You just admitted that "your diet" = booze, drugs, and smokes

but somehow I'm supposed to take your advice, as obviously you're some type of enlightened sage?

boy are you going to feel dumb in the morning!



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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Just a good video to do with morality.





posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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I have the feeling the OP want to everybody in ATS be accept any argument at face value because to him "its how ats members should behave". Sorry for using critical thinking to try DENY IGNORANCE.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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I'm not religious.

If you've followed the thread you'd have realized that.

Demonize that.... uh oh.... you can't...



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:50 AM
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In the spirit of this thread, I can offer.... ice water, mixed with cat hair

LOL



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by randomname
atheists spend more time talking about God and religion than the pope does.

they have this fixation on God that it borders on insanity and to a normal human being they appear angry, bitter, hateful and resentful to something that they believe doesn't "exist".

if they talked about santa claus like they do God, they'd be institutionalized, possibly for many years, and heavily dosed with powerful psychiatric medications.

but since God exists, people tolerate their misguided positions as long as they don't implement their atheism like stalin and pol pot.

atheists should re-examine their stance since something that supposedly doesn't "exist" to them affects their life so much.

edit on 9-12-2012 by randomname because: (no reason given)



^^^^^^^^This + 1,000,000,000



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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before i could "feel dumb" my iq would have to fall to the point where i ENTERTAIN UNPROVED ASSERTIONS.

second line

ps i also enjoy chocolate and shellfish



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:53 AM
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LifeCitizen:

It affects our lives in the form of our societies being shaped by religion, and I'll give you a hint- it doesnt shape it in a good way! That isnt imaginary, unlike peoples gods.
Religion is hindering our evolution. Its pretty important stuff, that's why we take it so seriously.


This is a very succinct way of explaining why atheists are more vocal, more vociferous against the absurdities of religion.

It pleases me not in the slightest that religionists want to shape society to their way of thinking. It would be a most abhorrent state! and I will resist such a thing. Religion and state should forever be separate! If Romney had won the election, religionists would have had a foothold on the throat of governmental power...it just doesn't bear thinking about. It would've been a most sneaky way to bring religion and state together. Watch those candidates with a very discerning eye!

I will not accept nor tolerate religious absurdity, and if that means I don't tolerate or accept moderate religionists then so be it! Religion really is a stunter of humanity's growth. It is an obstacle we have to outgrow, and we cannot do that by being either tolerant or silent...it has to be engaged, civilly and decorously, but it must be engaged with.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by HIWATT


Yes, this website is dominated by anti-religious sentiment - for anyone with a moral core out there reading - you should be aware of this before you decide to spend any time here.

For the people reading this who disagree with me, think about what I said.




Underlined above another cliche used by religious zealots against atheists, well guess what I have morals , happily married for many years, 2 kids brought up well, who don't cause problems for others they have done well at school never been in trouble with the police etc they have never attended church unless taken by the school.

They have turned out all right the same for my wife and myself only ever at church if dragged along for a wedding/funeral etc.

So do you want to explain your comment?

Although religious people like to think they have the monopoly on morality YOU DON'T.



Religious people do so have the monopoly on morality - how many religious people have you seen BRAGGING about their kids in the same breath denouncing the personal held views of others?

That, to me, does not seem like moral values. Perhaps you need a bit more comprehension of what it means ....?



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:56 AM
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Atheists would not need to bother but when the religious are saying in their own OT's that the Atheist has no morals, well they have to respond don't they?
Atheists do not want to be preached at but they get it on every type of thread on ATS, in the past week I have been told I will goto hell, do not have a moral code, been threatened with my familys and myselfs death all from religious people so what do you want me to do? stay silent?.
Oh and I have my own God but unlike Religious people I do not need to preach to others about it, my god is personal.
edit on 10-12-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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Dear Bluesma,



I do. On this site, you can find me doing so in most of the atheism vs. theism threads. Though I don't consider it "correcting" I just consider it pointing out hypocrisy, bringing it to light- what they do with that is their business, at least then they are aware that they are largely responsible for their experiences. Just like most fanatic theists, they like this holy war they wage, so that isn't enough to make them change. But if they ever tire of it, they can. They know they have the power.


I do not think we are in disagreement. I don't hate anyone and my posts prove that. I do not know what a fanatic is, I absolutely believe in God; but, I absolutely believe in free will too. Am I a fanatic because I believe something or am I a liberal because I believe in free will? I don't believe in sides, I believe in searching for the truth and our individual right to believe as we will. I think I have been consistent on this point. I don't read anti-atheist threads because I don't engage in such tripe. Believe what you do and live with the consequences is my belief. I could be wrong about things and am willing to live with my mistakes.

In Christianity there is a thing called the great commission, sounds very powerful does it not? The commission is to spread the word. There is also what Jesus said was the greatest commandment, to love God with all our heart and our neighbor as ourselves. One is a commandment and the other is a commission. Commandments must be followed, commissions must be accepted to be in effect.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 04:58 AM
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Originally posted by elysiumfire
LifeCitizen:

It affects our lives in the form of our societies being shaped by religion, and I'll give you a hint- it doesnt shape it in a good way! That isnt imaginary, unlike peoples gods.
Religion is hindering our evolution. Its pretty important stuff, that's why we take it so seriously.


This is a very succinct way of explaining why atheists are more vocal, more vociferous against the absurdities of religion.

It pleases me not in the slightest that religionists want to shape society to their way of thinking. It would be a most abhorrent state! and I will resist such a thing. Religion and state should forever be separate! If Romney had won the election, religionists would have had a foothold on the throat of governmental power...it just doesn't bear thinking about. It would've been a most sneaky way to bring religion and state together. Watch those candidates with a very discerning eye!

I will not accept nor tolerate religious absurdity, and if that means I don't tolerate or accept moderate religionists then so be it! Religion really is a stunter of humanity's growth. It is an obstacle we have to outgrow, and we cannot do that by being either tolerant or silent...it has to be engaged, civilly and decorously, but it must be engaged with.


And that would be a good thing since "religionists" as you call it ...
believe in the Zoroastrian philosophy of "free will" which would be the opposite of the rabid communist/socialist philosophy running rampant in the Obama administration.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 05:00 AM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by GeisterFahrer
 


Atheists would not need to bother but when the religious are saying in their own OT's that the Atheist has no morals, well they have to respond don't they?
Atheists do not want to be preached at but they get it on every type of thread on ATS, in the past week I have been told I will goto hell, do not have a moral code, been threatened with my familys and myselfs death all from religious people so what do you want me to do? stay silent?.


No, not really. According to the philosophy of "free will" you don't "have to" reply to anything



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 05:00 AM
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Dear HIWATT,

That is insufficient. Jesus made wine and cigarettes are not discussed in the bible at all. I wish both. Water will simply not do when my daughters friend has died and I am in such a terrible state because my friend is getting divorced. Being Christian does not mean avoiding pain or not having crutches, such as smoking. Peace.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 05:01 AM
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To answer your question yes belief is required to make decisions, the thing
to point out here is that a belief that encourages you to oppress other people
is immoral, therefore should not be used as a basis for laws that govern everyone
else, if they want to dislike things, they are free to do so, however the issue isn't
that they wish to dislike things, it is that they wish to take their world view and
force it onto others who do not want to partake in their religion.

Belief is perfectly ok, i believe in many things i do not have direct evidence for,
however what i do not do is try and force others by way of legislation to follow
my belief. on a side note i still find funny that their god cannot enforce his so
called morality himself so they feel the need to legislate it to others because
they cannot even get there own followers to live by that moral code.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 05:01 AM
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Originally posted by elysiumfire
LifeCitizen:

It affects our lives in the form of our societies being shaped by religion, and I'll give you a hint- it doesnt shape it in a good way! That isnt imaginary, unlike peoples gods.
Religion is hindering our evolution. Its pretty important stuff, that's why we take it so seriously.


This is a very succinct way of explaining why atheists are more vocal, more vociferous against the absurdities of religion.

It pleases me not in the slightest that religionists want to shape society to their way of thinking. It would be a most abhorrent state! and I will resist such a thing. Religion and state should forever be separate! If Romney had won the election, religionists would have had a foothold on the throat of governmental power...it just doesn't bear thinking about. It would've been a most sneaky way to bring religion and state together. Watch those candidates with a very discerning eye!

I will not accept nor tolerate religious absurdity, and if that means I don't tolerate or accept moderate religionists then so be it! Religion really is a stunter of humanity's growth. It is an obstacle we have to outgrow, and we cannot do that by being either tolerant or silent...it has to be engaged, civilly and decorously, but it must be engaged with.



A wonderfully asserted opinion

Again. Odd that the atheist supporters on this site seem to always request "proof" when they themselves can not offer any to support their own BELIEFS... yet act as if what they say is right and true because it's "logical"

Too bad all this "evidence" didn't show it's head in the "is atheism a religion" thread.

You talk about not wanting a "religious" person as President, while at the same time speaking as if an atheist would be preferential ... that's called "talking out of both sides of your face"



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 05:05 AM
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Originally posted by AQuestion
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Dear HIWATT,

That is insufficient. Jesus made wine and cigarettes are not discussed in the bible at all. I wish both. Water will simply not do when my daughters friend has died and I am in such a terrible state because my friend is getting divorced. Being Christian does not mean avoiding pain or not having crutches, such as smoking. Peace.


And I would offer you both if I could. From your tone I think it's safe to assume that some wine and a puff wouldn't much impair your thought processes,.... as it has apparently to some other member(s) here this evening.

I'm not here to judge anyone based on their diet. However if you're acting like an asshat (not referring to you) and then publicly state that it's bedtime because you're fresh out of drugs then yes.... it really is time to leave.



posted on Dec, 10 2012 @ 05:08 AM
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Dear HIWATT,

I do hope I am not being an asshat. LOL. I also wish I could sleep. It has been a complicated weekend and I wish I could sleep and am glad that I have tomorrow off. Wine and cheese would be nice; but, I am moving and have no refrigerator for the cheese. Have a great week.






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