Do Freemasons worship demons!? I used to think not. Then I read this., page 9


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reply posted on 12-12-2012 @ 06:39 PM by NarrowGate
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I was saying nice try at insulting you funny man. You quoted and typed your response, and took the time to break down my post how you saw fit. While you were doing that, I was fixing a minor error.

To quote you "God created science". You are too proud.

Then you mock my beliefs and call me childish. I would not like to be you, in fact I would rather be a poor guy in a hut in Africa than think like you. You are obviously the one resorting to childish tactics. Anyone reading can see that if they apply logic. You are not reading, that much is obvious.
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reply posted on 12-12-2012 @ 07:56 PM by NarrowGate
Originally posted by almadd2012
Originally posted by NarrowGate
You are confused about some things here.

First, you are right we definitely can not understand or predict God's will unless He tells us.

God did not create demons. The reason I brought up Angels to him is because demons are simply fallen angels. If he believed in Angels, I would find it weird for him to not believe in the existence of demons. Their heirarchy is even described by the same terms - powers,virtues and so on.

Demons out of their own free will followed Satan and rebelled against God. They are now beyond redemption.

God created all things good. Now in our world (dimensions?), decay and death were brought in through a deception of Satan. He convinced Eve to take the fruit, and she gave it to Adam as well. Because of this disobedience to God, we are now accountable for original sin. This is passed on in our genetics.

God did not create a single evil. God = truth = love. Satan = lies = hate. Satan lies to create hate. God is Truth to create love.

I hope that helped clear that up for you.


It didn't. God created angels knowing that some would fall. God, after all, knows everything. Therefore, God created the conditions for evil. It's not a big jump from that point to say that God created evil. And why wouldn't he? We could not be saved if evil was never created. God doesn't make mistakes; he had a plan, and that plan included the existence of evil.


I just didn't "like the way you put it". They still had free will. For us to talk about the semantics of it, we would have to exist in a way not limited by time like God does.

Since we are limited by time, we assume God is too. Not saying you do, but many do.

You are right God does not make mistakes. There is a reason one of his most intelligent and loved creations, an Angel He saw fit to make an Archangel, is now Satan.

My take on it? He wanted us to be tested. We are his children, to be made "like gods". Not like God though, as St. Michael would say "who is like God?".

We exist on the plane of time though. We can not understand certain mysteries until God reveals them to us. That is why I still say God did not create evil. God created the world, and saw that it was good.

He did not create "conditions" for evil though. In my opinion, he just gave the Angels a choice to serve. Those who would not rebelled.

I would submit that the fallen are a product of free-will that God would never violate, but that is not what God intended for them. They intended that for themselves. I do see what you are saying, like I said at this point we are saying the same thing and arguing over the wording.


reply posted on 12-12-2012 @ 09:16 PM by NarrowGate
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus



Now God created everything, pedophilia included, huh. Science is a term to describe curious humans trying to figure out that they are wrong again.

Oh I must be going crazy. I thought you were mocking my beliefs nearly every other post. Next you will say "provide quotes". My computer is very slow, so I do not enjoy digging up quotes that you know are there. I also do not slander people.

Please take the time to read and consider the rest of this post. It has nothing to do with what we were just discussing, it is actually far more urgent.

Want to prove what the character of Masonry is? I will show great respect for Masons for the rest of my life, and tell others to do so as well, if they will fix this situation. If they do not, I will be forced to do all I can and I live below the poverty line on top of that I have a family to take care of.

There are two ladies living together in Highland Park, MI (inside of Detroit look it up) along with one of their daughters and her grandfather. One of them is unable to eat anything, ever. She has a tube that drains her stomach's acid all day long. She has another tube to feed her.

The other has no legs and is literally stuck sitting in the same bed all day every day, and all night every night. She can not even afford a Catholic Parish Edition to read, and she is Catholic (I will be providing one next time I see her).

They have NO money, and my best-friend's (who is now dead; homicide I will provide link) sister is working two jobs and going to school to provide what is virtually their only income.

They have no cable , no laptop, no internet, no money, and virtually nothing coming to them for Christmas.

I spent over an hour talking to the one with no legs last time I was out there, and she is praying for a laptop and internet. A laptop and internet would literally change her entire life. I prayed for her and quoted some vital pieces of Scripture for her in this situation and wrote them down.

The one with the feeding tube and draining tube that can not eat - here is a link to how she lost her son. Take the time to read it this is not a joke. This is a human being asking you for help. wchbnewsdetroit.com... . They left out that he was holding the door for everyone to get in, and that is why he got hit. He just got an A on his math test, and was going to graduate. If you knew what he went through growing up in that neighborhood, you would know that this was the last thing anyone thought he would be doing - graduating and getting A's on math tests. You can imagine how his mother will be feeling this Christmas.

Now you might ask - why not give her the laptop I am on? Because it is so old and slow, and also requires an external keyboard. On top of that, I will need it to find a better job.

These people are my second family, and my families second family as well. If Masons fix this situation, I will not let anyone talk bad about them in my presence without me defending them with zeal, and I will likely try to join one day.

A priest has been by, but the Church is apparently unable to help right now.... Considering the area it is in, I am not surprised.

If I was a man with access to money and I was aware of people suffering like that I would not be idle. You are now aware of the situation.


reply posted on 13-12-2012 @ 08:43 AM by InhaleExhale
reply to post by NarrowGate





Men who think they can understand God and all of His creation are sadly mistaken.




Wise words, however this is after all this is posted by the same poster



God did not create demons.





God did not create a single evil. God = truth = love. Satan = lies = hate. Satan lies to create hate. God is Truth to create love.


Why even begin to speak for what God created and didn't?

I will quote your wise words once more and hopefully you can practice what you preach



Men who think they can understand God and all of His creation are sadly mistaken.



reply posted on 13-12-2012 @ 08:49 AM by InhaleExhale
Originally posted by NarrowGate
reply to
post by AugustusMasonicus



I missed that part where you provided evidence. Where did you answer my question? I don't buy into the theory of evolution either. I could theorize just about anything. I was looking for scientific evidence obviously, which you did not provide.

To answer yours, I have more faith in God than science.

I do love membrane theory whenever I read or hear about it. Same with string theory. Very interesting theories.
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First one must understand what scientific theory means and encompasses before one tries to speak as though they have knowledge of what they speak.

You say your looking for scientific evidence for a question asked to another poster in which they did provide in their own words yet you refuse back up your claims with scientific evidence which some have asked you to supply to at least make some us believe you know at least some of what your going on about.
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