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Topic started on 9-12-2012 @ 03:47 PM by Julie Washington

My disclaimer: I do not support main stream religion and this is a perfect example why.

A Milwaukee area Catholic priest is stripped of his duties for holding mass with a woman priest.

A Milwaukee-area Catholic priest was stripped of his priestly duties after he presided over a Mass with a woman priest last month in Georgia.

On Nov. 17, the Rev. Bill Brennan, a 92-year-old Jesuit, performed a liturgy in Columbus, Ga., at which Janice Sevre-Duszynska, an ordained member of Roman Catholic Womenpriests, an advocacy group that is not sanctioned by the Vatican, was a participant..

The Catholic Church prohibits women's ordination, saying it has no authority to ordain women because Jesus chose only men as his apostles. The church's Canon Law 1024 says only baptized men may receive holy orders.

The Archdiocese of Milwaukee and his religious order, the Society of Jesus, ordered Brennan not to perform any priestly duties in public or present himself as a priest publicly.

But what is even more maddening, when you go to their website:
Acrchdiocese of Milwaukee

You will see on the front page of their website their featured article:

Protect Religous Freedom
Religious freedom is our first American freedom. It is a founding principle of our country, protected by the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights. It’s a fundamental human right, rooted in the dignity of every human person—people of any faith or no faith at all. It’s not a Catholic, Jewish, Orthodox, Mormon or Muslim issue—it’s an American issue, a civil rights issue.

Today, religious freedom is under threat throughout the United States—at all levels of government, federal, state, local—and abroad. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is urging Catholics to take action in defense of religious freedom. Please see below to find out how you can get involved.

Sign Up for Text Alerts to Help Defend Religious Freedom

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Well, I guess "Religous Freedome" doesn't include women priests.

"The masculine character of the hierarchical order which has structured the church since its beginning...seems attested to by scripture in an undeniable way."

On whether the New Testament settles, in a clear and final way, the question of whether women can be admitted to the presbyterate, they unanimously voted against the proposition (17–0); on the question of whether there are in the Scriptures sufficient indications to exclude the possibility of women priests, they voted against the proposition (12–5); and on the question of whether the Church would be able to entrust the ministries of the Eucharist and Reconciliation to women, without going against Christ's original intentions, they voted in favor (12–5).[7]

Wiki

So the men voted... and surprise... let no women in.

So evidently if you hold mass with women priests you are excommunicated, but if you sexually abuse little boys you just get transferred to another church.

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reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 03:55 PM by zedVSzardoz

Good. There is the Protestant religion for that. If he felt so compelled then he should have converted. Rules are rules. I am sick of all these self empowered Catholic priests defying the Pope.

I don't have a problem with women priests either mind you, but a vow is a vow. Don't make it unless you plan on keeping it.

Marian worship has destroyed the church. The novus ordo mass is BS and intolerable. This would be too much.

He has no right to do that. If HE felt that way he should have left. How dare he try and cause problems within an established faith and community.

Jerk.

reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 04:01 PM by Gregorian

reply to post by Julie Washington

In the not too distant past they would have been burned at the stake - together. What a pity that the Catholic Church has lost sight of "doing the right thing"

Hopefully the pendulum will 'swing' back to the right in the not too distant future.

reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 04:05 PM by Wrabbit2000

I'd say Religious freedom means the Catholic Church has the right to have their Faith include or NOT include women as they see fit to follow the decrees on that from Vatican City. If they don't like what the Holy See has to say about all that, I'd say they can break off and form their own sect. It's been done many times over the centuries to be sure.

However, Freedom does mean any Faith ought to be free from being the target of confrontational and disruptive advocacy groups as well. That has to work both directions on free practice, IMO.

reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 04:14 PM by zedVSzardoz

To everyone about to jump on this band wagon...

OK so lets criticize Rabbis and Jews, Gurus and newage crap for being mostly male, and everyone else we are not for not being the way WE think they should.

I am sorry but this is BS. It is up to Catholics to change their faith over everyone else looking in judging them.

Their house, their rules. Don't like, fine, don't go. How dare you try and force people to be the way you see fit. 2000 years of institution means you mind your own business. Its older than the damn country.

They should have the religious freedom to hold mass as they see fit. Take your PC garbage and preach it in your house. Leave Catholics to their ways. OR go after all faiths and force them to change to your facist standards. Every part of our lives and everyone doing as you see fit. Every facet of life as you dictate as "best".

Jerks. Leave them to their ways. How dare you impose your beliefs on the Catholics.

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reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 04:17 PM by zedVSzardoz

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Thank you.

You said that much better than I did. I got angry for no reason. You spoke like a boss.

reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 04:20 PM by mOjOm

Well, it's not like the Catholic Church is known for it's support of equality or rational thinking so I think this kind of stuff would be expected by them by now.

I'm not sure how to really judge this situation though.
Which side represents the most foolish?
The Sexist Hippocritical Male Dominated Cabal of pedofiles known as the Catholic Church with it's Massive Double-Standards...
or
The woman who actually wanted to join that Cabal???

I mean, what the hell did these two expect to happen??? It's not like they can claim they didn't know the rules that this Insane Organization is in accordance to.

reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 04:47 PM by lambs to lions

reply to post by Julie Washington

This has little to do with the involvement of a woman. It has everything to do with an unauthorized change in how the mass was organized. If it had been a male baptist preacher, the result may have been the same.

reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 05:03 PM by mOjOm

Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by Julie Washington

This has little to do with the involvement of a woman. It has everything to do with an unauthorized change in how the mass was organized. If it had been a male baptist preacher, the result may have been the same.

No. This has a lot to do about women. Granted you are right in that it certainly has to do with the Control of it's members and their obligation to Follow the Established Rules. However, to say it has little to do with women is misleading. In 2010 the church included the "attempted ordination of women" among the list of grave crimes against Church Law.

reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 05:09 PM by Unity_99

In my 20's after contemplating becoming a nun for years, this was exactly why I left the Church and went for years to the anglican, due to the anglican church ordaining women priests. I don't like EVIL or INEQUALITY. Inequality is the root of ALL evil in this universe.

reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 01:07 AM by EricD

reply to post by Julie Washington

I'm a bit confused here. Are you actually conflating religious freedom with an imaginary right of someone to alter the mass as they see fit and allowing unauthorized celebrants? Those are two separate issues. You do realize that, right?

And where did you get the idea that the priest was excommunicated?

Eric

reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 07:36 AM by Gregorian

Those who favor as acceptable to the Catholic faith such things as a female priesthood, gays and gay marriage, killing of the unborn and contraceptive abortifacients, and feminism generally are more than typical of a temperamental desire to destroy all inherited structures of the Catholic Church and to assimilate the Catholic religion to the trends and outlooks of contemporary secularized society. We will not be cajoled or otherwise intimidated into succumbing to your ways - to the ways of the world: you have Martin Luther to look to for such as that.

It is time for feminists and feminism to realize that women do not have to be the same as men. Women have a unique and wonderful role in God's creation and in the Church.

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reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 01:01 PM by EricD

reply to post by Gregorian

I believe that you are painting with too wide a brush. Feminism is not inherently wrong, evil or incompatible with Catholicism. Being gay is not a sin and is not against Church teachings. It's acting upon impulses to have sex with a same-sex partner that is wrong. The same could be said, btw, for anyone having sex outside their marriage, regardless of sexual orientation.

Eric

reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 02:35 PM by Gregorian

Originally posted by EricD
reply to post by Gregorian

I believe that you are painting with too wide a brush. Feminism is not inherently wrong, evil or incompatible with Catholicism. Being gay is not a sin and is not against Church teachings. It's acting upon impulses to have sex with a same-sex partner that is wrong. The same could be said, btw, for anyone having sex outside their marriage, regardless of sexual orientation. Eric

Please read my post before commenting and drawing wrong conclusions. All of your assertions against the posting are incorrect. See Below --->

Originally posted by Gregorian
Those who favor as acceptable to the Catholic faith such things as a female priesthood, gays and gay marriage, killing of the unborn and contraceptive abortifacients, and feminism generally are more than typical of a temperamental desire to destroy all inherited structures of the Catholic Church and to assimilate the Catholic religion to the trends and outlooks of contemporary secularized society. We will not be cajoled or otherwise intimidated into succumbing to your ways - to the ways of the world: you have Martin Luther to look to for such as that.

It is time for feminists and feminism to realize that women do not have to be the same as men. Women have a unique and wonderful role in God's creation and in the Church.

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reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 02:41 PM by Wertdagf

reply to post by Julie Washington

Hopefully the eyes of another person were opened to the nature of religion.

I can only hope this gets dragged through the mud for the rest of the month. Soon the masons will be next.

reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 10:40 PM by lonewolf19792000

Jesus never said women couldn't preach. In fact, in mosaic judaism women were allowed to be prophetesses, they just couldn't be priests, but Rome has a bad habit of making commands Jesus never commanded, like enforcing celibacy on priests, that didn't come from Jesus. So instead of a catholic priest having sex with their wife, they go and have sex with little boys instead. Be much better to allow them to marry. But like i said Rome has a habit of placing man made laws that Christ never commanded on a man's shoulders.

Both Mary's were present at the Upper room, meaning they had been chosen as Apostles amoung the 120 and part of ministry. Unfortunately Rome kinda hated the jews and tried to bury christianity and it's jewish heritage.

reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 10:42 PM by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by Julie Washington

This has little to do with the involvement of a woman. It has everything to do with an unauthorized change in how the mass was organized. If it had been a male baptist preacher, the result may have been the same.

Ah no, we don't do mass. Communion can be preside dover by anyone who is a believer, being a preacher makes no difference as all Christ's brothers and sisters are priests unto him.

reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 10:56 PM by lambs to lions

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

I know, I was making a point. I agree with you though, we are all equally capable of leading the flock in our God's eyes, regardless of sex, race, etc.

reply posted on 11-12-2012 @ 10:49 AM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Julie Washington

Janice Sevre-Duszynska, an ordained member of Roman Catholic Womenpriests, an advocacy group that is not sanctioned by the Vatican, was a participant..

The 92 year old male priest who did this probably has dementia or something. The woman IS NOT A PRIEST. A bunch of feminists get together and claim they are Roman Catholic priests, but they are not. He knows better than to do what he did.

Well, I guess "Religous Freedome" doesn't include women priests.

That's insanely silly of you to say. This is an INTERNAL CHURCH MATTER and not a matter of secular law. For you to say that secular law should be able to demand that a church change it's religious beliefs to include women priests, that means that YOU are trying to take away the religious rights of the Roman Catholic Church to run it's church as it sees fit.

So evidently if you hold mass with women priests you are excommunicated,

- There is no such thing as a Roman Catholic woman priest, no matter what 'advocacy group' says that they ordained them. For a person to be a Roman Catholic priest, there must be apostolic succession and the approval of Rome. No woman has this .. no woman will ever have this. It goes against the laws of the church.

- So yes, if a priest goes against the laws of the church, he COULD BE excommunicating himself by his own actions.

If Catholic women want to be 'priests' then they should go be Episcopalian. It's 'catholic lite' and women are allowed to be priests.

reply posted on 11-12-2012 @ 10:50 AM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
... like enforcing celibacy on priests, that didn't come from Jesus. So instead of a catholic priest having sex with their wife, they go and have sex with little boys instead. .