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Like I said you do not understand the bible and don't assume what you consider that I believe.
Because my views are so far away from the traditional church views I sometimes struggle with the term Christian. The hell you are speaking of you have already experienced. We all have and it was justified by the actions we took.
The question becomes do you continue to do the things that put you there or do you decide to love? I believe that anyone that truly follows love is following Christ since he left one command, love your brother. However true disciples of Christ will be taught a deeper love through the spirit.
You said you don't teach love by giving pain. You are right but you do teach pain through pain and how can you know love if you don't truly know pain?
We choose our path, if we choose to sin, then we will obtain that knowledge that comes with that sin. If we choose to love than we will obtain a better kind of knowledge. The choice belongs to all of us, we can each choose the path we want to take to learn.
I try not to do a lot of thinking because it's much easier just to let the teacher teach. I am the student so I try not to get in the way.
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
Where are they? Source Entity and Origin? Why have we been left alone for so long? Why the awful lingering silence and where are their mouthpieces? Is there no one in existance that speaks to them for them (other than the papal which is not viable) and can let the humble simple dumbed down human know its fate?edit on 9-12-2012 by vethumanbeing because: expand a simple concept into smithereen type purportions thus imploding itself into oblivion
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
I don't know how throwing people into a lake of fire for all of eternity teaches them to love. I don't know how ANY form of punishment teaches them to love. If you want someone to love, you SHOW them love. You show them how you express love, and they learn by example. They begin to connect that emotion to the world around them.
You don't teach love by giving pain. That's a sadistic way of doing things.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
...So in order to learn, you try not to think? Do you understand that in order to learn, connections must be made within the mind, and you can't do that unless you're thinking? You can't understand ANYTHING unless those gears are moving. That's how you learn.
Eternal punishment for temporal sins is a logical absurdity. God is not absurd.
God is Love.
you go look for non-solar light, without an identifiable source, which is not found on any planet, asteroid, or meteor in the Universe.
No he isn't, so why do you keep contradicting him?
John 5:26-29
26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
Comdemned = damned. They are cut off. Spiritually dead forever, the second death.
He is also righteousness and a righteous God punishes the wicked.
He created everything. Therefore, he is the father of such wickedness. Should he not therefore destroy himself as well? I did not know a righteous god could create evil. That's what "Satan" is, right? And "God" created him. "God" is the father of evil. What does a righteous being do with such a thing?
You are terrestrial, found on a planet. Nice try though.
You don't know how to read. My apologies, I thought you did. Come back when you learn to read and we'll talk more then.
You say that sin is a necessary part of love. Then you ask who teaches pain? What don't you see? You teach the pain and testify against yourself by claiming that it is necessary for you to sin.
God does not teach through pain although he will use the pain that we create for ourselves and others to teach us about love. But the bible makes it clear, until you give up sin you can't really know the love of the father.
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
The Bible disproves Hell, after all.
Spend some time over at Tentmaker.org - they/we are a friendly bunch.
Gary Amirault (Tentmaker.org) gets the infamous Skull and Crossbones Award for his dangerous teachings. He spreads his beloved doctrine and heresy of Universalism (everyone will be saved) as Christian truth. That teaching is also known as the Doctrine of Inclusion, Ultimate Reconciliation, Universal Salvation, Universal Redemption or Universal Restoration. Gary Amirault propagates this false doctrine primarily by:
● presenting partial truths as the whole truth
● citing something instead of the Scriptures for evidence —namely the ante Nicene fathers, who believed in Universalism (giving the false impression they all believed the same way, which they didn’t)
● distorting the few Scriptures and not comparing them to other related Scriptures
● misapplying God’s love while overlooking His justice and righteousness
● wrongly thinking God’s will in salvation is always done among man
Gary Amirault (and all others like him) have to distort, deny, contradict and/or avoid all those Scriptures to embrace the dangerous doctrine that all will go to heaven because Jesus died for everyone.
■ WARNING: Gary Amirault is not correctly handling the Scriptures and, therefore, is spreading a fine-sounding lie (and heresy) as God’s truth to the eternal and spiritual detriment of all those who believe it.
www.evangelicaloutreach.org...
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
Where are they? Source Entity and Origin? Why have we been left alone for so long? Why the awful lingering silence and where are their mouthpieces? Is there no one in existance that speaks to them for them (other than the papal which is not viable) and can let the humble simple dumbed down human know its fate?edit on 9-12-2012 by vethumanbeing because: expand a simple concept into smithereen type purportions thus imploding itself into oblivion
God cannot be found within the creation. The creation is not the truth because it is a creation– a fabrication. Therefore, the truth is not the creation. The truth is absolute. The creator is the truth because the creation comes from the creator. So if you are looking for the truth within a lie, you are wasting your time, so to speak.