The AGE OLD question? WHERE IS and who is ACTUALLY talking to God, aka Source Entity or Origin

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posted on Dec, 31 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Yeah? My girlfriend is pagan. Her mother is pagan. I have pagan friends. Your understanding of paganism is very shallow indeed. No wonder you have no clue what you're talking about. Please, feel free to do some extra research. A bonus assignment, if you will. I'm in no hurry.


Pagan, Neo Pagan, Wiccan, Druid, and Asatru are all different things. I have nothing against Neo Pagan, or Wiccan movements; but they are very different from old world paganism. Tell me more about them, because I wouldn't want to be too quick to judge them.


They worshipped the sun. Sun, the source of light and life. Essentially the same deal.


Sumerian polytheism was not based around the sun. Egyptian henotheism occasionally was, as were the polytheists of the Levant and sometimes Anatolia. Utu, the sun-god of Sumer, was actually worshiped as the giver of the law, and the one who maintained the balance in the world (similar to Maat in Egypt).

The chief deity of Sumer was actually Enlil, the storm-lord who, quite frankly, disliked human beings and frequently tried to eradicate us with floods, the razing of cities, allowing invading forces to conquer city-states, etc.

When the Semitic Akkadians conquered (establishing Babylon) their supreme god was Marduk, who did have solar functions. But he was still primarily a storm-lord, and a god of justice and war. So at no time was the Sun worshiped chiefly, or even primarily, in Sumer, or Akkadian-Babylonian times.

As for light, that would have been the god Nusku-Gibil. But his light was fire, and the fire didn't represent terrestrial, physical fire, but the light of wisdom, and of transformation: enculturation. Much akin to Prometheus' fire which was given to humans allowing them to become civilized.


No, the earlier Egyptians focused on chromosomal functions. However, their ankhs made excellent tuning forks. Don't tuning forks operate on frequencies - as in vibrations?


Ankhs were not used as vibrational tuning forks. They were, actually, very rarely a part of human life. Mostly, they were reserved for the Blessed Dead, and the gods of life and the afterlife. The ankh represented the convergence of male and female energies, which resulted in life, essence, and the 9-piece soul. They were never used as tuning forks.

As for chromosomes, and other biology... the Egyptians did not know about such things. They believed that Ptah or Khnum crafted their bodies upon potters' wheels; then the goddess Meskhenet, or Heket (depending on whether you were from the South or North) instilled the Ka into your body. That was how the Egyptian's believed birth occurred. They had no knowledge of genetics.


Maybe not in their house. Their circles were a different matter entirely.


The Celts did not have circles. Those are modern Neo Pagan adaptations of Hermetic Magic.

The Celts were a warrior-society who, at their most primal, offered sacrifices of hanged animals, drowned prisoners, and their sick to the gods Aesus, Toutates, and Taranis. At their best, they valued epic literature, death in battle, and national pride.

And their gods, the Tuatha de Danann, arrived by boat and settled Ireland, defeating a race of giants-the Fomorii-who previously desecrated the sacred land. In fact, Celtic mythology is the only mythology on Earth where the land itself responds to it's deities. Evidence that they wholly believed the Tuatha de were from the Earth, and loved by it. The Tuatha de were subsequently turned into the Fae and Sidhe by Christian invaders.

It was not until the Welsh period (after Roman domination, Roman collapse, Norse invasions, and the beheading of thousands of Irish men) that their love of poetry, art, and literature came about. This later Welsh period is what most modern Neo Pagan writers mix in with Thelema and Hermetic teachings to arrive at their current religions.


Hey now, dolphins are awesome! I didn't know anyone worshipped dolphins. Sounds like you're reaching, to be honest.


Oh, I wish I was... Unfortunately, the Dolphin Sky Foundation is not the only New Age group to believe in the "higher wisdom" of Dolphins. And I was also not kidding about the whole thing where people can pay to have their babies delivered by Dolphins. I wish I was though.

Dolphins are pretty cool though, for sure.


Such ideas come from the old traditions. Like the Native Americans. Gonna call them idiots too?


I've never called an ancient tradition idiotic. However, I don't think you'll find a tribe who supports any of the New Age beliefs I outlined. They all do it now because Americans buy into it, and pay them for it. Just like casinos. It sells.

~ Wandering Scribe




posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
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The gods—whether they're the Anunnaki, the Neteru, the Olympians, the Tuatha dé Danann, the Æsir, the Vanir, or the Six Grandfathers—never subjugate us to "their rule," that is what God (capital G) does. The gods (known through paganism, polytheism, henotheism) worked in unison with human beings. They protected us, revitalized our spiritual essence, helped us to plumb the depths of our psyche, and laid down the structure within our communities.

You wouldn't know that though, because, in your own life, you've never actually studied the spiritual, occult, and mystical traditions of past civilizations. Just as every other New Age participant, or modern-spiritualist, you only know the spiritual traditions of the past two-thousand years. All you know is the theocratic dictatorship of monotheism, and the fraud which Alternative Religions have provided.

Your Gnosis is an illusion; a disillusionment which has sullied your search for the truth.

~ Wandering Scribe


Have you figure=ed the Gods out yet>? Really? Polyform Annunaki gosh darn that Zeus and Xerses.
No one plumbing the psyche, no one created our civilizations-- all was set down in a perfect community--
thus you have the maya, done . done. Egyptians done. AAll of them set down in perfect harmony with
that thing called civilization created instantly. Poofff-_DONE. Why do you not see the perfection? This was
an experiment a needed time import to change the outcome income of the WHOLE WORLE. As we came
to change and make solid an idea we also removed it. So how clear are you now on holding a frequency
that can make you disapear because you do not resonate with it? THINK TUNING FORK.

You Miss the IAM Themic factor. Look to Egypt no illusion there. Left eye right eye LOOK.
edit on 1-1-2013 by vethumanbeing because I deem it so.
ME , A new age participant, a modernist? A DICTATOR OF MONOTHESIM, a FRAUD? OF ? Never having ever studied the occult oops the "spiritual" (damn me stupid) No one protected the human we were USED you idiot.
edit on 1-1-2013 by vethumanbeing because: I am certain I am speaking to a cretin.
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posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
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The New Age is not pagan. Paganism and polytheism—the real, ancient variety—had nothing to do with Love, with Light, with crystals, energy vortices, loving everyone, vegetarian diets, vibration rhythms, extraterrestrials (although I do believe they exist somewhere in the cosmos), or pop spiritual concepts like Feng Shui and healing through communication with dolphins.

The Sumerians did not have vegetarian diets, or a belief in Love and Light and inherent goodness; the Egyptians did not practice a philosophy of love everybody, or believe that vibration was the key to higher wisdom; the ancient Celts did not believe in proper placement of furniture or that space-beings were their creators; and the tribes of Germanic paganism certainly didn't believe that Dolphin's could heal their injuries, clear their minds, or deliver their children.

When I say New Age I mean the New Age. And I most certainly do mean Christianity and Judaism (and Islam to a lesser extent) as well of course. But I would never say that the people practicing the New Age today have anything in common with the Sumerians, or the ancient Celtic peoples, or the peoples of Ancient Egypt.

If you don't believe in the healing power of crystals, the emotive power of water, the restorative field of proper furniture placement; and you don't think Love and Light are elements holding the universe together; or that we vibrate higher when we are giving love to the universe; or that all living things, regardless of their own activities, deserve only love and never wrath or contempt... then you may not be a part of the New Age either.



You have superior knowledge..what was the meat choice of the Sumerians? Or the Summars? or the new agers and or the metaphysical wonder childrens unicorns>? Come on, THINK ON THIS. The reason for the organized
religions is that to take a populace and program it to have a solid thingy called PRAYER, the more voices
maybe the more heard FALACY. I still love you miscreant.

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posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 11:06 PM
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posted on Jan, 1 2013 @ 11:41 PM
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Hey now, dolphins are awesome! I didn't know anyone worshipped dolphins. Sounds like you're reaching, to be honest.


Oh, I wish I was... Unfortunately, the Dolphin Sky Foundation is not the only New Age group to believe in the "higher wisdom" of Dolphins. And I was also not kidding about the whole thing where people can pay to have their babies delivered by Dolphins. I wish I was though.

Dolphins are pretty cool though, for sure.


Such ideas come from the old traditions. Like the Native Americans. Gonna call them idiots too?


I've never called an ancient tradition idiotic. However, I don't think you'll find a tribe who supports any of the New Age beliefs I outlined. They all do it now because Americans buy into it, and pay them for it. Just like casinos. It sells.

~ Wandering Scribe

Really? Newaage. No tribe. Who buys into a payment plan? Casinos? do you sell? I keep asking go home.
Dolphins? Outline for me specifically. Who and What AM I? New pair of shoes for you. Zappos.com;
Vet.
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posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 02:18 PM
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I think there's a disconnect between your mind and your tongue; that or you broke your grammar-bone. All three replies you've made to me are nothing more than word salads, covered with a dressing of arrogance and ignorance. You can continue to throw your temper tantrums while spouting your sophistry, and vague New Age jargon all you want. I'm neither impressed, nor intimidated.

You do not know about ancient cultures, or ancient religions. If you truly did, beyond what is available within the cultural zeitgeist, you'd not be treating me with such rash hostility. Only children, and those with the mental capacity of children, lose their temper, and composure, when an opposing viewpoint is presented to them.

As for the question of Sumerian food, among their delicacies were: mutton, pork, veal, grilled goat, fried fish, and fowl including duck and pigeon. They supplemented the diet with a variety of barley, millet, wheat, alcohol, onions, garlic, cucumbers, lettuce, apples, beans, and, eventually, truffles. So no, the Sumerians were not vegetarians. They were, in fact, a culture in transition. They moved from agriculture (wheat, barley, millet, fruits, and vegetables) to a shepherding society (cattle, sheep, goats, and pig).

You can even witness this transition within their mythologies. The earliest myths (featuring the goddesses Inanna, and Ninhursag; and the gods Enlil and Enki) centered around the fertility of the land, crop and harvest seasons, and the seasonal rains and floods. Then, with the myth of Inanna and Dumuzi (later Ishtar and Tammuz) you have the transition where Inanna, a grain-goddess, passes her authority along to Dumuzi, a shepherd who introduced animal domestication to Mesopotamia.

Not that you care though, being that you're already so ideologically blind.

~ Wandering Scribe



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 04:28 PM
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And what spiritual path do you subscribe to, that "New Age" is so utterly abhorrent? By the way, if you ask nicely, I'll prove exactly how far back these "New Age" ideas go, and how old they really are...



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
reply to post by vethumanbeing
 


I think there's a disconnect between your mind and your tongue; that or you broke your grammar-bone. All three replies you've made to me are nothing more than word salads, covered with a dressing of arrogance and ignorance. You can continue to throw your temper tantrums while spouting your sophistry, and vague New Age jargon all you want. I'm neither impressed, nor intimidated.

You do not know about ancient cultures, or ancient religions. If you truly did, beyond what is available within the cultural zeitgeist, you'd not be treating me with such rash hostility. Only children, and those with the mental capacity of children, lose their temper, and composure, when an opposing viewpoint is presented to them.

As for the question of Sumerian food, among their delicacies were: mutton, pork, veal, grilled goat, fried fish, and fowl including duck and pigeon. They supplemented the diet with a variety of barley, millet, wheat, alcohol, onions, garlic, cucumbers, lettuce, apples, beans, and, eventually, truffles. So no, the Sumerians were not vegetarians. They were, in fact, a culture in transition. They moved from agriculture (wheat, barley, millet, fruits, and vegetables) to a shepherding society (cattle, sheep, goats, and pig).

You can even witness this transition within their mythologies. The earliest myths (featuring the goddesses Inanna, and Ninhursag; and the gods Enlil and Enki) centered around the fertility of the land, crop and harvest seasons, and the seasonal rains and floods. Then, with the myth of Inanna and Dumuzi (later Ishtar and Tammuz) you have the transition where Inanna, a grain-goddess, passes her authority along to Dumuzi, a shepherd who introduced animal domestication to Mesopotamia.

Not that you care though, being that you're already so ideologically blind.

~ Wandering Scribe


The only reason I'm including your (in entirety) ridiculous statement is to make the brave sardonisits read it all over again to make sure they heard it right the second time around. Why if a not conquered civilization not trading with anyone as in the first one since the OH the Meatball Clan somewhere in Eurasia? would these food stuffs be delicacies; the norm for the Beluga caviar gulping Black Sea Russians, by the way of the Polish?

Oh not to let the seasonal vegetables be ignored, lettuce, beans, and the 25,000 varieties of apples, known to have been cultured in Afganistan were Sumerian? How did that happen? You are going to tell me that apricots originated in Florida 6000 years ago. I will bet this you do not know that modern day Kurds are the remnants of that great culture?

Lets talk about Mythology 101. Of all God reknowned, (put this together) whom was born 4 days after the soltice
25 December 3 men visited, at 30 entered their apprenticeship ending at 33, virgin birth I can name FIVE.
Can you? Hint, major Religions. About my blindness; I am Apollonious the Truth Teller. 5 cents please. You realize the term "New Age" dates you; its called Metaphysics.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:21 PM
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I will be the first to congradulate you and all those who are way to evolved to beleive in any type of god other than yourselves. You live you die that is it. That devine spark is just BS there is no spark you are simply the result of chance.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
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You can even witness this transition within their mythologies. The earliest myths (featuring the goddesses Inanna, and Ninhursag; and the gods Enlil and Enki) centered around the fertility of the land, crop and harvest seasons, and the seasonal rains and floods. Then, with the myth of Inanna and Dumuzi (later Ishtar and Tammuz) you have the transition where Inanna, a grain-goddess, passes her authority along to Dumuzi, a shepherd who introduced animal domestication to Mesopotamia.

Not that you care though, being that you're already so ideologically blind.

~ Wandering Scribe


You have misspelled Ninhursag- it is actually NIN.HUR.SAG; daughter of Anu; a half sister to Enki and wished to have a son. Wives as sisters, how good does this get?



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by guitarplayer
I will be the first to congradulate you and all those who are way to evolved to beleive in any type of god other than yourselves. You live you die that is it. That devine spark is just BS there is no spark you are simply the result of chance.


14 pages of thoughtfull insight by those that paid attention- very personal commentary; this is your 50 word rant? Something get out of its cage and wandered upon your keyboard loose? Not your mind unless it has legs and a tail. We accept the congradulations Validictorian by you and thank you for those of us WAY MORE EVOLVED; because our spark lives and dies by your sword of truth?? Devine you are. The whole chance thing is that you are living proof of it--SIMPLY DEVINE IGNORANCE. This is where you play a nice Chord, as in strum in your best C.



posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by guitarplayer
I will be the first to congradulate you and all those who are way to evolved to beleive in any type of god other than yourselves. You live you die that is it. That devine spark is just BS there is no spark you are simply the result of chance.


Wandering Scibe ignore this because I am ANGRYzzzzzzzzzz. No spark no being, no nothing. Guitar Player is a what what?? It exists, yet denies is own existance. Here is the thing frequency, sound and light created ALL. With Intent Of Will. So why does this being insist it exists? to my mind is trying to explain backwards forwards
BS devine spark IT IS THE RESULT OF CHANCE. Not us just him/her/it. What type of God exists other than the one whom resides within oneself? CHANCE GOD? He lives and he dies; NO RIVER STIX FOR HIM; sad IT has left itself no out.



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 06:03 AM
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I mentioned my spiritual path to you on another thread already: I am an Alekaite.

What I find abhorrent about the New Age is that it is trivial nonsense. Instead of seeking communion with the divine in any of its many manifested forms, or attempting to understand the powerful archetypes within oneself, or upon the tree; the New Age instead settles for vague definitions, of obscure forces, without definite outlines, or features.

The Horned God of Wicca, for example, is just a generalization. He is representative of the fertility of the land, and of the potency of masculine sexual prowess. He is simultaneously the Great Provider and the Great Defender, who sacrifices himself seasonally in mating with the awesome Great Goddess, only to be reborn, through her grace, with the turning of the year.

In Western Europe, Celtica, this figure was based upon the nature-god Cernunnos, and the pan-Celtic Lugh (Lugus/Llew Llaw Gyffes). The primary figure being a god of the natural world: flora, fauna, and harvest. The latter being a figure of enculturation who freed the Tuatha de from the Fomorians by having masterful skill with a spear, and a beautiful mind capable of excellent song and poetry.

In Northern Europe the Horned God is represented by the five-fold figure: Odin/Ullr, of which the primary is also the tutelary deities Wotan, Vili, and Ve. Of the triune figure, Vili and Ve represent the essence and form of a living being: it's soul and consciousness. Wotan, as a death-god, instilled a finite existence in all living things. As Odin, the triune reborn, the figure came to represent mastery over the world, and an intense desire for wisdom and understanding of the cosmos.

Which brings us to one of the most prominent, but often ignored, myths of ancient Western and Northern Europe: the Wild Hunt. Figures from Ireland, Britain, Wales, France, Belgium, Germany, Norway, Sweden, and Iceland all partake in this celestial parade (which is believed to be represented on Earth by the Aurora Borealis). It is celebrated near the middle of December, as a prelude to the Yuletide, and features Odin as the King of the Gods leading the hunt and absconding from his throne, while Ullr, who brings up the rear of the Hunt, replaces him. It is the Oak and Holly King motif so frequently used by Neo Pagan circles.

However, depending on where you're from, the Leader of the Hunt differs. It may be an entirely historical figure such as Theodoric the Great, a mythical figure such as King Arthur, a fairy being known as Gwyn ap Nudd (who used to be the Tuatha de prince Nuadha), or tutelary figures like Wotan and Ullr, and their universal form Odin. All of these figures, if the New Age is to be believed, are the same source/power.

They are certainly not though.

Nuadha and Odin are in no way similar outside of both being warriors, and both being male. Likewise, Theodoric nor King Arthur ever absconded from his throne, which Odin and Nuadha did. Nuadha, Wotan, and Odin are all spiritual figures, whether deity or intermediary; while Theodoric and Arthur were mortal figures. Their archetypes, attributes, and associations do not overlap in a way which satisfies the true mythological implications and importance of their figures.

Such bland generalizations are to be found all throughout the doctrines and teachings of the New Age and Neo Paganism. I have always, ultimately, viewed Neo Paganism in all it's varied sects, as a stepping stone. A way for the individual to familiarize themselves with the nature and existence of spiritual powers, before ultimately moving into deeper waters, searching for a more complex understanding. Whether that be through Qabala, Hermetics, Theosophy, Thelema, old world Paganism in it's varied branches, or a personal amalgamation of many fields, never mattered. As long as they sought to fully understand the forces they believed in, as more than generalizations.

The ancient world was alive with mystery, power, and meaning. The New Age doesn't even scratch the surface,

~ Wandering Scribe



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 06:25 AM
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If you want to get technical, her earliest epithet was Ninmah, which meant "Great Queen." She was not given the title of Ninhursag until Ninurta defeated the Asag demon and conquered the mountains. That is why Ninhursag means "Lady of the Mountains." What you presented, NIN.HUR.SAG, is also incorrect as the cuneiform of her name is NIN.ḪURSAG. The closest variation to what you presented is NIN.ḪAR.SAG. Meanwhile, the pronunciation, and anglicized spelling, is actually Ninhursag̃a. You'd have to do more than skim Wikipedia to learn that though.

Your family relations weren't bad though. She was the daughter of An, sister to Enki and Enlil, mother of the Anunnaki, and general fertility-goddess of Sumer, Akkad, and the other Mesopotamian cultures. None of which is hard to find by reading the first few paragraphs of a Wikipedia page.

Anyway, you're still ignorant of the roots and symbolism of pagan cultures, etc. I really just need to copy-paste the same diatribe at the end of every reply. It get's tiring re-typing it every time.

~ Wandering Scribe



posted on Jan, 3 2013 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
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If you want to get technical, her earliest epithet was Ninmah, which meant "Great Queen." She was not given the title of Ninhursag until Ninurta defeated the Asag demon and conquered the mountains. That is why Ninhursag means "Lady of the Mountains." What you presented, NIN.HUR.SAG, is also incorrect as the cuneiform of her name is NIN.ḪURSAG. The closest variation to what you presented is NIN.ḪAR.SAG. Meanwhile, the pronunciation, and anglicized spelling, is actually Ninhursag̃a. You'd have to do more than skim Wikipedia to learn that though.

Your family relations weren't bad though. She was the daughter of An, sister to Enki and Enlil, mother of the Anunnaki, and general fertility-goddess of Sumer, Akkad, and the other Mesopotamian cultures. None of which is hard to find by reading the first few paragraphs of a Wikipedia page.

Anyway, you're still ignorant of the roots and symbolism of pagan cultures, etc. I really just need to copy-paste the same diatribe at the end of every reply. It get's tiring re-typing it every time.

~ Wandering Scribe


Alright? you are a subscriber of Wikipedia? Please do not copy and paste your PEDANTIC diatribes. Is there a real you existing between your fingertypes? You puzzle me in that I get no sense of a human speaking to me; living breathing dispassionate computer algorithm/ Odd. I get it that you are intellegent, but the bombastic no kills barred is breathtaking in its merciless bludgeoning of an opponant dodgy.



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 04:26 AM
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Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
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I mentioned my spiritual path to you on another thread already: I am an Alekaite.

~ Wandering Scribe


Hello, your comments are interesting. But would you mind expounding on the term "Alekaite"? I'm quite sure I haven't heard of it before. And Google hasn't turned up much. Is it related to something with a more widely known name?

Thanks.



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by DwindlingHope

Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
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I mentioned my spiritual path to you on another thread already: I am an Alekaite.

~ Wandering Scribe


Hello, your comments are interesting. But would you mind expounding on the term "Alekaite"? I'm quite sure I haven't heard of it before. And Google hasn't turned up much. Is it related to something with a more widely known name?

Thanks.


Try Wiekapedia (SP) for 'Alekaite'. Seems to be Wandering Scribe's sourse of all information as it will accuse you of the same lameness of obvious clear question omission. You ask it to expound?? Do not save to hard drive. Library of Congress all ISBN submissions will clog your ram. It tends to bombast the innocent with way too much information.



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
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I mentioned my spiritual path to you on another thread already: I am an Alekaite.

What I find abhorrent about the New Age is that it is trivial nonsense. Instead of seeking communion with the divine in any of its many manifested forms, or attempting to understand the powerful archetypes within oneself, or upon the tree; the New Age instead settles for vague definitions, of obscure forces, without definite outlines, or features.

~ Wandering Scribe


Forgetting the regrettable abhorrent Newage Sewage.
Real world, here are the 6 Usual Suspects regarding the December 25th virgin birth and resurrection phenomenom:

Sound familar?

HORUS
ATTIS
MITHRA
DIONYSUS
KRISHNA
JESUS



posted on Jan, 4 2013 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread906126/pg13#pid15609652]post by vethumanbeingYou wouldn't know that though, because, in your own life, you've never actually studied the spiritual, occult, and mystical traditions of past civilizations. Just as every other New Age participant, or modern-spiritualist, you only know the spiritual traditions of the past two-thousand years. All you know is the theocratic dictatorship of monotheism, and the fraud which Alternative Religions have provided.

Your Gnosis is an illusion; a disillusionment which has sullied your search for the truth.

~ Wandering Scribe


Gknosis no illusion; no disillusion to sully is to misdirect an intent. That will not describe IAM.
This abomination of character assasination slipped by me. Do you know me? Am I the fear that resides within you? In my own life I've never studied Past Present? Not a New Age Tilt-a-Worlder. How odd you are in that your idea of me is so tantilizingly GOOF BALL. I am no modernist, I am no monotheistic Dictator. No fraud no Foul /Alternative Religiosity required. Carnival Barker "HEY YOU, YEAH YOU COME HERE" more like it.
No one participates in anything they do not subscribe to (as in rings a resonance true) including you; otherwise you would not be speaking to me at all or any other ideas put forth within this thread. Hope this helps.





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