Hey Hard-Core Christian Right Conservatives! Here's How Backwards You Really Are!!!

Originally posted by milominderbinder

Originally posted by Violater1

Originally posted by beezzer
And why point out just christianity?

Islam has a much harsher tenent than christianity, or is this just a bash-thread?

Am I surprised that the mods haven't placed this in RANT yet?

Where's the "rant"? It's simply scientific and empirical data which shows that the Christian Right has the absolutely dead wrong approach to preventing teen pregnancy and abortion.

How is that not "political madness" given the fervor which people refuse to accept reality??

What I'm surprised about is how the progressive political machine that teaches it's agenda in schools and promotes such behaviour in the media is ignored.

Originally posted by milominderbinder

Originally posted by lambs to lions

Originally posted by ShotGunRum
Christians just want to control people. That's all religion is about; control.

Wrong. Christianity is all about choices, love, and respect of yourself, God, and others.

Cool. Then I take it you are pro-choice on abortion and think it's abhorrent that the Catholic Church would attempt to prevent it's employees from receiving medication which their DOCTORS prescribed, right?

How can you say they tried to prevent them from anything? You mean they don't want to be forced to provide coverage as it is against their beliefs.

No, I don't believe in abortion under normal circumstances just because someone was irresponsible, but that's my belief and I don't feel like it should be pushed on others.

Originally posted by bjax9er
reply to post by AnonyWarp

 

Yes you can go to Amsterdam and buy a 14 year old "child" to have sex with.

Prove that i'am wrong.

You could go anywhere in the world and buy a 14 year old child if you're sick enough to know where to look.

As for proving you wrong... c'mon.....really!? I could make the same claim about your mom's house.... Prove I'm wrong.



This thread in general stinks of being just another thinly veiled attempt to start bashing Christians. The real issues here are what are acceptable societal norms. Yes they often have quite an overlap with the religious belief systems which predominate in the country in question, but usually in a much more indirect way (At least in 1st world countries). In Europe yes they do have overall a much more liberal view of sex, drugs and alcohol. And yet they are abused far less than in the States which overall tends to be much more religious.

The key here is if you want someone to be responsible, you cannot treat them as some overgrown child. It is not uncommon for teens in Europe to have a class of wine with their meals and yet alcohol is far less of a problem over there. Childhood used to end at 12 or 13, now its been extended to 21.

One must also consider poverty and education levels which is a much greater influencing factor than religion (in 1st world nations). The US of A is probably the worst in these two areas than anywhere else in the developed world...

Originally posted by Mr Tranny
Just wait until the next big incurable STD mutates and starts spreading. A long hibernation type that takes a year or so before the first ones start showing the symptoms. It may hide out in the immune system or something until it matures and goes full tilt. Before they know that there is a problem, half of the population will already have it.

I've been practicing out of the Dallas-Ft. Worth ER's now for several months. I'm alarmed and shocked at how many patients have HIV down here. Interestingly enough, it has not been a concern for the CDC or MSM.

Originally posted by milominderbinder


How is that not "political madness" given the fervor which people refuse to accept reality??

You are trying to justify your position with the Netherlands, and a few States here in the US. Tie them nicely to Teen Sex, Abortion and Hardcore Christian Conservatives.

There isnt just a "Madness forum", is there?

Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by milominderbinder

 

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but it's not just "Hard-Core Christian Right Conservatives" who don't allow their teenaged children to "shack up" with their boyfriends/girlfriends- especially in their own house!

I know many people of all political leanings and all belief/non-belief systems and NONE of them allow their kids to have sex in their homes. Insinuating that it's a "Right Wing Christian" thing only is ridiculous!

yes...but the hard-core christian right wingers are the one's who not only perpetuate THAT extremely bad parenting practice...but ALSO think Prohibition will mysteriously start working with Abortion and that a church should be able to prevent it's employees from getting a prescription from their doctor.

...all under the guise of "combating" the "problems" which the Netherlands have pretty much solved already by doing THE EXACT OPPOSITE THING.

Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by ShotGunRum

 

Perhaps, but I don't need religion to tell me that promoting teenage sex is piss poor parenting. It is irresponsible and disgusting...and I don't care what a YouTube video says about the Netherlands and their teenage sex culture.

Incorrect. Data suggests that it's far healthier and more responsible.

Oh...and the data doesn't come from "youtube"...that's just the method of broadcast. The data comes from UNICEF.

Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by anon29

 

Refusing to set expectations of your children is paramount to condoning.

Yes...that's the whole point. Statistically it would appear that NOT condoning a healthy sex life for your teenager is rather irresponsible. Almost 9X more irresponsible than doing the exact opposite, in fact.

reply to post by milominderbinder


So if people just wanna sleep with whomever they choose, why not just say Im going to sleep with whomever I choose? You can do that, and act on it. There is no law in the US that says you can't (with the exception of uh, you know child abuse,rape and sick evil stuff like that). Why blame christians or conservatives? Im both and look at this.

I don't think we have any business telling anyone where to put their parts, NOR telling parents how to raise their children. Am I a right wing religious nut?

If you ask me op, Id question right wing christians on why in a red state they allow their kids to be chipped.

Yep all you hard core christian right conservatives you really are backwards for thinking a 14 year old hell even under 18 should not be sleeping around.

Yep you all are really backwards.

Originally posted by randomname
you're comparing america, the most ****ed up place on earth, to the rest of the normal human beings that reside on the planet.

remember all those t.v. shows that had a least one episode of a teenager getting pregnant, and the parents would tell her that her life is ruined, her future destroyed etc. and abortion was the only solution to happiness and success.

nice message. i think satan himself wrote that script and gave himself best original screenplay.

that was the message: get pregnant, life ruined, abortion solution.

not have baby, grandparents help raise kid, daughter works hard to go to university, gets good job to support herself and her baby independently, raises daughter and daughter cries when she see's daughter graduate university. roll credits.

love, family, compassion, helping each other out, overcoming lifes detours, are the marks of a Christian, not abortion clinics.

edit on 8-12-2012 by randomname because: (no reason given)

Oh...for the most part I agree. The only thing I DISAGREE with is that less abortion clinics will somehow equate to less abortions. The data suggests otherwise...just like less hash bars has not produced less marijuana smokers and less pubs did not produce less drinking in the '30's.

reply to post by milominderbinder


What does this have to do with Christianity? What does this have to do with conservatism? What does this have to do with the ethics and morality and law behind abortion? You have a stat and some hatred. Congrats, you've said nothing.

reply to post by milominderbinder

Sorry to disturb your illusion, but I am a Christian and a Conservative and I believe in adequate sex education and birth control. However I would never condone teens being allowed to "shack up" and I don't think a church should have to pay for birth control if it is against their tenets. Birth control is cheap enough to pay for out of pocket without the church having to pay for it. The insurance will however pay for the yearly gynecological exam that is necessary to be prescribed "the pill" which is what is expensive.

Originally posted by micmerci

You do know child prostitution is legal in the Netherlands, right.

Ummm...no...it isn't. LOL. Here is your link.
docs.google.com...

Sorry, but it absolutely is legal. Ex Merchant Marine and Navy and I know it goes on. And I don't need no link to prove what I have seen with my own eyes.

Good thing you did not report it then since the police over there would have been very interested in your "evidence".


www.latitudenews.com...


Lets see how "bad" they do things over there concering child prostitution compared to the good ol' U.S of A

n the entire U.S., there may be 10 safe houses and between 50 and 200 beds for victims of domestic trafficking, though statistics are anecdotal.

SAFE HAVENS In this respect the Netherlands is streets ahead. Prostitute trafficking there has become a middle class problem, and the middle class has political sway. As a result, regional governments pay for dozens of shelters across the Netherlands. These shelters began as homes for victims of international trafficking and domestic violence. Today they cater increasingly to Dutch children, victims aged 11 plus. Shelters are purposely located far from home, mainly in the north of the country and even in France and Spain. Most are secure. “Here the brain-washed girls are de-programmed” says Marianne Van Thoren, a social worker from Rotterdam. They catch up with lost schooling and receive trauma counseling. But there’s a long waiting list, and some girls end up in detention centers. Eleina says she might have been one of them if not for Stoploverboys.nu, a small NGO funded mainly by concerned parents

It simply is illegal over there.Read the link for more info.

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by bjax9er
What a wonderful socialist utopia we could have if we just turned over all the power to the government.

See this is what happens when everyone calls liberalism "socialism". You get people who really do think it's socialism, and it is a disservice to what socialism actually is.

Liberalism killed socialism, and modern socialism (post 1840's) is not utopian. Utopian socialism was a different movement than modern socialism, led by people like Robert Owen, that came before industrialization. In fact Marx and Engels used the term communism to differentiate their socialist movement from the Utopian Socialists that came before them.

edit on 12/8/2012 by ANOK because: (no reason given)

Oh...I agree 100%....mostly because I actually read books instead of just scream the word "evil!!" at them. For the record...the Dutch are perhaps the most purely capitalistic nation on planet earth in a historical sense. The Dutch East India Trading Company anybody? Colonialism? They are rather profit-oriented people. LOL.

I was using the term "european style socialism" sarcastically and ironically.

Congratulations...you're the first one well read enough to pick up on it. LOL.

reply to post by milominderbinder


That's real nice.

Have you ever walked the streets of Amsterdam?
If you have then you would know that children are posted up in store front windows for sale. Legally. Or at least tolerated.

If it were illegal, then they wouldn't be there for everyone to see. now would they?
If you think i'am lying, then go look for yourself.

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by micmerci

You do know child prostitution is legal in the Netherlands, right.

Ummm...no...it isn't. LOL. Here is your link.
docs.google.com...

Sorry, but it absolutely is legal. Ex Merchant Marine and Navy and I know it goes on. And I don't need no link to prove what I have seen with my own eyes.

Good thing you did not report it then since the police over there would have been very interested in your "evidence".


www.latitudenews.com...


Lets see how "bad" they do things over there concering child prostitution compared to the good ol' U.S of A

n the entire U.S., there may be 10 safe houses and between 50 and 200 beds for victims of domestic trafficking, though statistics are anecdotal.

SAFE HAVENS In this respect the Netherlands is streets ahead. Prostitute trafficking there has become a middle class problem, and the middle class has political sway. As a result, regional governments pay for dozens of shelters across the Netherlands. These shelters began as homes for victims of international trafficking and domestic violence. Today they cater increasingly to Dutch children, victims aged 11 plus. Shelters are purposely located far from home, mainly in the north of the country and even in France and Spain. Most are secure. “Here the brain-washed girls are de-programmed” says Marianne Van Thoren, a social worker from Rotterdam. They catch up with lost schooling and receive trauma counseling. But there’s a long waiting list, and some girls end up in detention centers. Eleina says she might have been one of them if not for Stoploverboys.nu, a small NGO funded mainly by concerned parents

It simply is illegal over there.Read the link for more info.

Epic. "...I don't need no link to prove..."

Apparently...one don't need no kinda proper grammer-talk no way at all neither.

Originally posted by ShotGunRum
reply to post by lambs to lions

 

No it isn't. The Christian God is tyrannical and has committed genocide in the OT. The new testament message is accept Jesus or go to hell. It tells you how to live, what is "sin" or not.

It is a totalitarian religion.

edit on 8-12-2012 by ShotGunRum because: (no reason given)

Well...there you go using a whole bunch of indisputable factual information again.

Originally posted by milominderbinder

Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by ShotGunRum

 

Perhaps, but I don't need religion to tell me that promoting teenage sex is piss poor parenting. It is irresponsible and disgusting...and I don't care what a YouTube video says about the Netherlands and their teenage sex culture.

Incorrect. Data suggests that it's far healthier and more responsible.

Oh...and the data doesn't come from "youtube"...that's just the method of broadcast. The data comes from UNICEF.

Indeed.

That is what i just dont get from people in here.

It shows that less kids actually have sex, get pregnant and have abortions. Things they are all rooting for but yet they reject it all , willingly throw the result in the bin just because it opens up the door of talking about sex openly.

yup , makes sense ....

Originally posted by Nephalim
reply to post by milominderbinder

 

So if people just wanna sleep with whomever they choose, why not just say Im going to sleep with whomever I choose? You can do that, and act on it. There is no law in the US that says you can't (with the exception of uh, you know child abuse,rape and sick evil stuff like that). Why blame christians or conservatives? Im both and look at this.

I don't think we have any business telling anyone where to put their parts, NOR telling parents how to raise their children.

Am I a right wing religious nut?

If you ask me op, Id question right wing christians on why in a red state they allow their kids to be chipped.

edit on 9-12-2012 by Nephalim because: (no reason given)

Correct. I'm with you all the way. I'm an Atheist...but I've NEVER had a problem with the sane christians like yourself. That's why I put "hardcore" in the title of the thread...I figured it was softer than the other expletive adjective nouns I could have otherwise opted for.