Originally posted by anon29
Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by anon29
Yeah, because 2000 yr old religion is what keeps responsible parents from supporting their teenage child's sex life...I hope you caught my sarcasm.
And to answer your question, yes, if the data is correct...these parents regardless of nationality, do in fact leave me speechless.
"Supporting," once again, isn't the word I would use as I don't believe it accurately reflects the reality of the situation. However, this, like
so many other issues here on ATS is probably irreconcilable. ...as petty as the "issue" might be.
The numbers speak for themselves. I'll let them do the arguing.
Your agrument is quite correct and you help me with the "Lead-In" on an issue that always bothers me on this subject on ATS, - no matter on which
side on stands. In all threads on "right/wrong" I see people "missing" something. Not just the Teen-sex/pregnancy/abortion issue. It extends to
threads of space exploration, science & tech in all shapes forms and sizes. We forget to see one thing:
That we are still a "NAKED APE" and we cannot ever escape this fact, not even if we settle next week on Mars or in 10,000ft under water colonies.
If the average puberty and sexual maturity kicks in at lets now say 14 years of age then no law or what ever can change this. Nateure in such has
programmed us to become sexual active at that age. So an AOC - (Age of Consent) no matter what we want or demand will do Nothing to change this fact.
The reason that today we want people to wait with sex for a time period of lets say 20-25yo is because of our complex society. Technical know how,
ability to make a living in a competeive market and so forth has pushed the age of "Functional" maturity - (Not legal maturity as like voting age) -
to a good 25 years.So our world artificially causes this conflict.
Dr. Robert Eppstein. - drrobertepstein.com...
- claims in many of his shows and articles that he opposes the age of cocent totally. Not just for
sex, but for all issues. He wants AOC to be replaced with with an Age of competency. And this age of compenence is not some "Number" that various
law makers dcide upon arbitrarely and differnt from state to state and country to contry. But it is seen an age of individuality. Some peron might be
a better 18 wheeler driver at age 14 and another might not be able to graduate past a Bike at age 40 for example.
Now to teen sex: Well as mentioned above we are trying to controll the uncontrolable! If our bodies mature at lets us say 14 to full sexual function
then this is the age where we do it if the parents or the law wants it or not.
I use 14 as median age. Now we are bombarded with scaremongeing that our "Mac Donnalds overfed" kids have piberty as early as 9! Well when opne
reads up on puberty the median age 100 some years ago was 17! However when one goes today to 3rd world countries one will observe that the kids of the
well to do classes are as early in puberty and sexual maturity as our western kids and the poor still look 12yo at 16yo. Late puberty is a direct
result of poor nutrition in most cases. But given all the best scenarios, it should hoover around the 11-13 on a natural basis.
And now control:
Prohibition didn't stop Americans from drinking, but it caused the rise of the Mafia as a tru crime power organization. The war on drugs didn't work
and yet made millions for the cartells. And religion and abstinence doesnt work because we still got pregnant teens.
I grew up in europe and while I was in my teen years the law on drinking was a good one.
All numbers now quoted are for drinking in restaurants and publ;ic places/functions:
With parents and guardian super vision, cider, beer and wine. - public 14 -16.
At 16-18 allone in public: cider beer and wine.
At 15-18 under parents/guardian supervision: Hard liquor permitted.
18+ no restrictions:
Here in the USA some states expect their 18yo to die in a war but dont give them a beer till 21! Go figure.
It is xactly this discrepancy that Dr. Eppstein addresses!
Also on a side line, but it would take me hours to dig up that report, so no link:
As a Nudist I once came across a Statitistic that demonstrated that the average nudist teen delays full intercourse sex but 1-2 years compared to
his/her nations average. So if the arbitrary number for a teen in a given country is 15yo for full sex, then the nudist teen would do the same at 17.
The reason is claimed to be that the nude teen is so used to all shapes forms and sizes of all ages of the nude human body, thats/he simply focuses on
the character of the partner much more than anything else before deciding for a "full go".
So it just shows, the more you control the more you get bad results.