True Cold Weather Advice, page 1


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Topic started on 8-12-2012 @ 04:49 PM by MystikMushroom
Don't buy from "Cabelas'" or "Bass Pro". (unless you want to freeze and get laughed at.)

That hunter with his "real tree" cammo isn't worth his salt, and looks like a d-bag when it's -20F.

I just checked the ambient temp outside and it's 2F. It'll probably drop down to negative degrees overnight. It stays like this with a high pressure system overhead. At times, it can drop down to -20F+ for weeks.

How can YOU prepare?

Clothing seems to be the biggest obstacle, and a layering system is what has been tested, tried and true.

First Rule: COTTON KILLS.
Eliminate any long cotton underwear from your inventory. It is useless when wet, and wil aid in hypothermia.

Second Rule:
Polly-wool/synthetic stretch base layer: Some brands like "Patagonia" make awesome base layers. REI/EMS make some nice stretch stuff for a good price too. Any synthetic base layer that "wicks" moisture from you is your foundation.

Third Rule:
Wool is great! Those old pendleton sweaters from your folks are amazing! Realistically, I am taking about a "polar fleece" insulating layer. Many companies claim to have the best "polar fleece" -- but most are all manufactured in the same place. Save yourself the money and get a "Columbia" brand one. It'll last many seasons, and won't break your bank.

I will admit that I own a down 500-fill North Face vest. "Eddie Bauer" does make an equivalent product in terms of quality. On occasions, I will take the vest with me. It does add an additional "insulating" property to my core.

Fourth Rule:
GoreTex or equivalent as your outer "shell". It keeps the wind off you, and the snow/rain as well. Personally, I think brands are really hijacked for "name" purposes. I have a 20+ year old "Gore Tex" North Face shell that I wear daily. It's actually better than the $400 Arc'Tyerx Theta AR I own, really.

Fifth Rule:
"Put a damned hat on!" -- We, as humans loose at least half of our body heat through the tops of our heads. A good knit hat isn't that expensive, maybe $15. If your outer shell has a hood -- put that up too!

When it comes to your feet and hands -- the same rules still apply. I am sure someone reading this knows the value of Sorel boots. Sorrel's have a removable wool liner -- and a waterproof exterior.

You don't have to break the bank to be warm. Simple, and solid purchases with a "layering" system in mind can keep you nice and toasty!
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reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 06:21 PM by rick004
reply to post by MystikMushroom



I'm from Canada and Sorels are garbage and way overpriced ! They used to be excellent when they made them in Kitchener many years ago ! Columbia took them over and their made in china now ! I was at the mall the other day and they range from 180$-300$ !!!! No frickin way !!!


reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 06:41 PM by MystikMushroom
reply to post by Asktheanimals



Down is bulky, and as you said worthless when wet.

I searched hard for the warmest synthetic sleeping bag -- apparently the NF has it. My bag might weigh 8 lbs, but it's good down to -30+

Wool is "king" in the water/insulation department. It might not be light, but it will keep you warm. I had to tell my scouts this over and over again as they broke/shook off ice on their wool pants. Those with "Carhartt" gear were sent home.

I highly sugest everyone buy Alpaca wool (if you can afford it) for your socks and hands. Alpaca fibers are hollow like a polar bears. Alpaca fibers retain much more heat because of this. Aplaca wool is also hypo-allergenic, and doesn't "itch".

I love my aplaca wool afghan/throw. It's a "seriously warm blanket".

Where I live it's freeze or die. Seriously, it's "bum killer cold" outside right now.

You don't have to break the bank to stay seriously warm if you use a layering system of synthetics/wool. A decent outer shell, along with the layering techniques I've outlined will keep you warm when the temperature drops below freezing. Or, in my case, -5 to -30F.


reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 06:51 PM by MystikMushroom
reply to post by dainoyfb



My take on Gore-Tex is that if it's good enough to climb Denali, K2 and Everest -- it's good enough for me.

I live in a really harsh environment; clearly not 20 thousand feet with a wind chill of -50F.

Weight should be a consideration for the "survival" folks.

Unless you have a 4-wheeler or snowmobile, you have to wear it or lug it around. Mountain climbers have it down pat. Layering with a blend of synthetics and natural fibers like wool will be your best bet.


reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 06:58 PM by rick004
reply to post by Montana



I have seen quite a few patterns on the net and bushcraft sites for wool blanket capotes . Can you sew them with an old school sewing machine ? There was 5 or 6 old singer sewing machines at the thrift store for 20$ a piece !


reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 07:07 PM by Montana
reply to post by rick004



We just sewed them by hand using a blanket stitch. It was really easy and pretty quick. We also used the stitch around any edges as decoration.


reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 07:07 PM by MystikMushroom
reply to post by Res Ipsa



LOL! Arctic Cat...we call them the "McDonalds" of Snowmachines around my parts. But god damned do they produce some good stuff now and then. I'm a Polaris/Yamaha guy myself. I don't own one of those things, and would rather use skis and snowshoes to get around in the backcountry.

Call me an old fart if you will. Those things just scare away the animals.
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reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 07:18 PM by Ivar_Karlsen
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
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post by Res Ipsa



LOL! Arctic Cat...we call them the "McDonalds" of Snowmachines around my parts. But god damned do they produce some good stuff now and then. I'm a Polaris/Yamaha guy myself. I don't own one things and would rather use skis and snowshoes to get around in the backcountry. Call me an old fart if you will. Those things just scare away the animals.


Well he's right about Arctic Cat clothing.

The combination of Thinsulate and GoreTex beats anything else.

Found some gloves and boots made of the same stuff, snowmobiling in -35C is no problem.


reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 07:25 PM by rick004
reply to post by MystikMushroom



I grew up working at a ski hill every winter on the snow making equipment . Our machine of choice was bombardier !! No yamahas or #ty kittys !! LoL everyone wore insulated coveralls and wool lumber jackets underneath , wool socks , skidoo boots and we were outside for 12 hour shifts and toasty warm . I'm not a big fan of all these gore-tex and synthetic coats !!


reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 07:28 PM by Phage
reply to post by CranialSponge


Canada?
Not only is it cold, there are timber wolves and polar bears there! First you catch hypothermia then you get eaten.
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