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Originally posted by DarknStormy
reply to post by Deetermined
If Muslim Extremists are operating in Syria, why the hell is anyone sending aid, weapons, money or any other source? The revolution has been hijacked yet the west continues to support the fighters regardless of what group they are affiliated with.
Originally posted by Deetermined
If you read it again, it says "humanitarian aid".
As for why the MSM keeps talking about our support for the Free Syrian Army, even after it's been hijacked, is because the Obama administration can't afford for everyone to know the truth. The truth is that we're losing the war on terror and the killing of Osama Bin Laden and all of the other Al Qaeda leaders we've been killing over the last four years means nothing now. Obama can't afford to take that kind of hit in the press right before he's inaugurated back in.
As for the war on terror, your not losing it.. Yous are creating it along with your buddies from the ME.
In anycase, this thread is about the terrorist extremist group Hamas, and not about the fight in Syria, which is as different as chalk and cheese, no matter how one attempts to bend minds over it. Let's not derail it.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Hamas are but only dogs in the scheme of bigger issues, and now are back in Gaza. Iraq is a warzone now being fought clandestantly between the Muslim Brotherhood and the Persian apostate infidel leader in Iran. Hamas is way out of its league today where Iraq is concerned, nor even needed.
Originally posted by Deetermined
Yeah, right. We started the entire "Arab Spring" and every uprising in the Middle East according to you.
I say that we made the mistake of trying to assist nations into becoming democratic and it backfired on us while we got used as a tool by Muslim extremists to help them in their efforts of spreading "political Islam" instead. The U.S. has woken up to that game and they're trying to turn it around. Unfortunately, it's probably too late.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
The extremists will have options given to them - either toe the line under FSA command, or leave Syria in peace. The alternative will be the capture of them to face trial for treason or apostacy to Islam.
Islam was never meant to remain stagnant, but to evolve with the times by following the moral and ethical guidelines as envisioned by the prophet. Unfortunately, greedy men only interpretated Islam the way that they want it to ensure their own power and not Allah's.
MB and Salufism will end eventually as more of muslims get educated in our interconnected world.
"We will never recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel, no matter how long it will take."
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by snapperski
Agreed Hamas is loathsome, but so is Netanyahu Likud party. Both have right wing extremist Idologies.
Don't you think it's Hamas' extremism and the likelihood of them winning a majority in a new Palestinian state that motivates Likud's refusal to stop building settlements?
Think of it from both sides. This isn't a game. If Israel plays by Hamas' rules, that could turn into a second holocaust for them.
Originally posted by dontreally
This thread is dedicated to those credulous believers who think Hamas has "evolved" into a potential peace partner.
GAZA - Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, making his first ever visit to the Gaza Strip, vowed on Saturday never to recognize Israel and said his Islamist group would never abandon its claim to all Israeli territory.
"Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north. There will be no concession on an inch of the land," he told a sea of supporters at an open-air rally marking the 25th anniversary of the founding of Hamas and a celebration of the organization's "victory" over Israel.
If this doesn't make you shut up and retract your opinion, I don't know what will. Not only does the Hamas charter promote a religious hatred of Jews, not only does Hamas' Al Quds TV (which is a state propaganda device) train its citizens to hate Jews, but they say over and over again in mass rallies: NO TO PEACE! NO TO COMPROMISE!
In short, NO TO HAMAS!!!
They are an impossible candidate to make peace with Israel. Their religious fanaticism forbids it.
As I've said time and again, a utilitarian rationalism appears to be a necessary underpinning for political pragmatism. A religious politics is informed by religion: not utilitarianism. It is not led into true compromise for the sake of peace, but rather, uses peace to advance it's religious interests. This is called a "hudna" or a truce, in Islamic parlance. Not a permanent solution, but a breather, a time period in which the weakened Muslim group can regather itself for another round.
"We will never recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel, no matter how long it will take."
Laying out his hopes for future triumphant visits, Mashaal told cheering crowds, "Today is Gaza. Tomorrow will be Ramallah and after that Jerusalem, then Haifa and Jaffa," Ma'an News Agency reported.
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I'm open to suggestions. What is Israel to do about Hamas?
edit on 8-12-2012 by dontreally because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by OperationIraqiFailure
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by snapperski
Agreed Hamas is loathsome, but so is Netanyahu Likud party. Both have right wing extremist Idologies.
Don't you think it's Hamas' extremism and the likelihood of them winning a majority in a new Palestinian state that motivates Likud's refusal to stop building settlements?
Think of it from both sides. This isn't a game. If Israel plays by Hamas' rules, that could turn into a second holocaust for them.
But you always take one side of the argument, Dontreally. That's why you're on my rivals list. Both sides are in the wrong.
Why can't you admit that Israel is just as bad, if not worse? Yes, Hamas commits violations of human rights and they aren't innocent at all. But...so...does...Israel, with more deadly munitions, funded by Joe Taxpayer.
I just want to see you admit that Israel is just as bad or to tell everyone why you're really here. I'm not assuming anything with that last sentence; I'm genuinly confused.
Mods: that's an honest question and my intentions are not to intimidate. I just want to know why dontreally only believes one side.
Lima-1, out.edit on 10-12-2012 by OperationIraqiFailure because: (no reason given)