reply to post by tothetenthpower
Both the rulling government in Israel as well as in Palestine must be removed and replaced with proper moderate governments that actually represent
the people of both nations.
But that's not about to happen, is it? The people have a right to "democratically" vote in whomever they want. If Egypt, Morocco and Tunisia can
vote in Islamist's pushing Shari'a law, than certainly a conservative, liberal democratic Likud government should not "be removed and replaced by
Before you speak, understand that Israel exists in an extremely immoderate environment. I loathe the thinking of those people who think middle eastern
politics can be simplified to "be moderate". Political decisions have major consequences. If Hamas - which commits itself to destroying Israel - was
democratically elected in a new Palestinian state, what would that mean for Israel's Jews?
I can COMPLETELY and UTTERLY understand the difficulties this causes for Israel's ruling elite. It's not an easy matter by any means. The sheer
injustice of Hamas' program - which is simply an Islamist program backed by it's chameleon backer, the Muslim Brotherhood, a program which could
result in a second holocaust, one in which Jews once again naively trust the goodness of mankind (as they mistakenly did with Hitler) by agreeing to a
2 state solution, although one party involved in the 2 state solution adamantly insists that it wont ever agree to Israel's existence (thus obviating
their claim that 'occupation' in the west bank or Palestinian suffering is the problem, as opposed to their stone age religious obligation to never
let Jews possess any self determination in their spiritual homeland) and actually intends to destroy them. I can understand why they would rather
fight to the death, as opposed to just being bulldozed into the ocean.
Israel should work with the opposition party in Palestine to strenghten it's position that's the only thing I can see that would help them.
That's the thing. It's hard to know which way is better for them. The PA already has very small support. They represent only 60% of Palestinians,
and even in the west bank their appears to be a growing support base for Hamas. Since Hamas has already established a precedent by being elected in
Gaza, and Egypt oversaw a "peace pact" between Hamas and Fatah in 2011, there's a very good chance that this moral monstrosity of a movement would
not only get elected, but would make good on their threats.
Seekeroftruth101 believes International law would constrain their actions. I fear that wouldn't be enough. If, lets say, 15 years from now, Islamists
rule in most of the countries of the greater middle east, whats to stave off their hand? I don't believe they care. I don't believe Islamists
subordinate their wacky religious beliefs to pragmatism. Rather, and there's significant evidence from their own historical jurisprudence, I feel
it's far more likely that they are merely cooperating with a foreign system until they secure enough power to act independently from it. In which
case, once they act, once they pounce on the Jews, they'll be seen as enemies of mankind.
On the other hand, there's those who believe Hamas, or Islamists, would never have the immunity, even within their own systems, to effect their
designs against Israel.
Take Egypt, for example. Mursi tried to get away with claiming dictatorial powers. He severely miscalculated the response from the masses.
It's a gamble either way. All I ask for people to understand is not to treat Israel as if it were an enemy of mankind. Israel has always been
reacting to Arab threats. Their reaction determines their policy. The conservatives are still traumatized by the holocaust, firmly believing that
there are people who wouldn't mind too much to see Islamists kill them all. Those on the left are more optimistic, or, naive, depending on your