reply to post by netwarrior
That will have to wait. Im going to bed right now. Nearly midnight here and I have to fly NVGs tomorrow evening. Luckily for me the Army lets me use
some good ones for free.
Suffice to say you're not missing much. Less accuracy and more expensive than just sticking to the 7.62x39.
The AR vs. AK Debate May Soon Come To A Close: The Faxon Firearms ARAK, page 2
reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 11:30 PM by projectvxn
reply to post by allenidaho
That's not the only thing they've changed. The FAL adjustable gas regulator, the entire bolt assembly, the quick barrel change, adjustable ambidextrous non-reciprocating charging handle. They've gone a lot further than simply building a piston AR upper.
That's not the only thing they've changed. The FAL adjustable gas regulator, the entire bolt assembly, the quick barrel change, adjustable ambidextrous non-reciprocating charging handle. They've gone a lot further than simply building a piston AR upper.
reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 11:46 PM by SM2
reply to post by allenidaho
i am with ya. The gas piston does have some advantages over direct gas, however, all the stories you hear about burying an Ak 47, burning, submerging them in mud etc are just that, stories. The reason they are so popular is because they are so cheap and easy to manufacture, hell the receiver is stamped sheet metal.
The Russians replaced the AKM, (a refined Ak-47) in the 1970's with the AK-74, which also changed rounds, they use the 5.45x39 . The chambering was changed for a couple of reasons, one being the smaller ammo is lighter, so they can carry more (same reason the 5.56 NATO came about) secondly, the 7.62x39 round is not truly as stable ballistically speaking as commonly believed, especially from the AK platform.
So, if the AK-47, a weapon designed in the 1944 and in service in 1946 was so awesome, why was it replaced with the AKM, (ak type 4) in 1959 then the AK 74 in the late 70's and the beloved 7.62x39 round replaced in the 70's as well because of poor performance?
i am with ya. The gas piston does have some advantages over direct gas, however, all the stories you hear about burying an Ak 47, burning, submerging them in mud etc are just that, stories. The reason they are so popular is because they are so cheap and easy to manufacture, hell the receiver is stamped sheet metal.
The Russians replaced the AKM, (a refined Ak-47) in the 1970's with the AK-74, which also changed rounds, they use the 5.45x39 . The chambering was changed for a couple of reasons, one being the smaller ammo is lighter, so they can carry more (same reason the 5.56 NATO came about) secondly, the 7.62x39 round is not truly as stable ballistically speaking as commonly believed, especially from the AK platform.
So, if the AK-47, a weapon designed in the 1944 and in service in 1946 was so awesome, why was it replaced with the AKM, (ak type 4) in 1959 then the AK 74 in the late 70's and the beloved 7.62x39 round replaced in the 70's as well because of poor performance?
reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 11:55 PM by netwarrior
Originally posted by SM2
reply to post by allenidaho
i am with ya. The gas piston does have some advantages over direct gas, however, all the stories you hear about burying an Ak 47, burning, submerging them in mud etc are just that, stories. The reason they are so popular is because they are so cheap and easy to manufacture, hell the receiver is stamped sheet metal.
Horse apples. I've done it. Well, maybe not burning but all the rest of it, yes. And *some* receivers are stamped sheet metal. They do have milled ones as well. I'm not a fan as it adds excess weight to an already heavy rifle.
reply posted on 9-12-2012 @ 11:58 PM by sonnny1
reply to post by projectvxn
Nice Weapon.
Faxon Firearms ARAK Upper Receiver
Price is good too.
Nice Weapon.
The upper will retail for $999 with a 5.56mm barrel, $1099 with a .300 BLK barrel and $1299 for both 5.56mm and .300 BLK barrels.
Faxon Firearms ARAK Upper Receiver
Price is good too.
reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 12:05 AM by SM2
reply to post by netwarrior
Well, as the saying goes......Screen shot or it didnt happen. The Ak rifles will not fire reliably once submerged fully in mud. Yes, they are resistant to dust and sand and water, but so is my AR. Yes you can get away without maintaining an AK well, but seriously, if you depend on that rifle to protect you and your family, why would you not maintain it carefully?
I really believe that the whole AR vs AK debate is based on personal preference mostly due to the style, myths and urban legends (about both rifles) and very little actual difference in function and reliability. If someone just plain likes an ak or ar better, then fine, just say so, no need to try and justify it, but to say that the ar is unreliable is just plain hogwash. That whole reputation came out of vietnam when Uncle Sam decided he would try to save money on ammo and used ball powder instead of stick powder which caused fouling, which lead to the forward assist and chrome bores being used on the M-16 a1. It was the ammo not the rifle, had they used the ammo specified by the manufacturer it would have been much better.
Well, as the saying goes......Screen shot or it didnt happen. The Ak rifles will not fire reliably once submerged fully in mud. Yes, they are resistant to dust and sand and water, but so is my AR. Yes you can get away without maintaining an AK well, but seriously, if you depend on that rifle to protect you and your family, why would you not maintain it carefully?
I really believe that the whole AR vs AK debate is based on personal preference mostly due to the style, myths and urban legends (about both rifles) and very little actual difference in function and reliability. If someone just plain likes an ak or ar better, then fine, just say so, no need to try and justify it, but to say that the ar is unreliable is just plain hogwash. That whole reputation came out of vietnam when Uncle Sam decided he would try to save money on ammo and used ball powder instead of stick powder which caused fouling, which lead to the forward assist and chrome bores being used on the M-16 a1. It was the ammo not the rifle, had they used the ammo specified by the manufacturer it would have been much better.
reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 12:17 AM by METACOMET
The AK vs AR argument has been beaten to death all over the internet since the beginning, but for some reason I still enjoy reading what people have
to say about the platforms and the differences between them.
Here is a thread on NES you guys might enjoy. One of the members makes an AK out of a $2 shovel. Yes, a shovel. Surprisingly enough, it is quite accurate!
Shovel into AK
Here is a thread on NES you guys might enjoy. One of the members makes an AK out of a $2 shovel. Yes, a shovel. Surprisingly enough, it is quite accurate!
Shovel into AK
reply posted on 10-12-2012 @ 12:50 AM by netwarrior
Originally posted by SM2
reply to post by netwarrior
Well, as the saying goes......Screen shot or it didnt happen. Ok but i'm taking off my Eotech. It's a pain to get dried mud out of the crevices between the buttons. Might be a week or two til i get back out to the range. And The Ak rifles will not fire reliably once submerged fully in mud. Yes, they are resistant to dust and sand and water, but so is my AR. Yes you can get away without maintaining an AK well, but seriously, if you depend on that rifle to protect you and your family, why would you not maintain it carefully? Because I live in a swamp. It happens.
I really believe that the whole AR vs AK debate is based on personal preference mostly due to the style, myths and urban legends (about both rifles) and very little actual difference in function and reliability. If someone just plain likes an ak or ar better, then fine, just say so, no need to try and justify it, but to say that the ar is unreliable is just plain hogwash. That whole reputation came out of vietnam when Uncle Sam decided he would try to save money on ammo and used ball powder instead of stick powder which caused fouling, which lead to the forward assist and chrome bores being used on the M-16 a1. It was the ammo not the rifle, had they used the ammo specified by the manufacturer it would have been much better. Agreement. Lowest bidder gets soldiers killed and it sucks.
The AR is unreliable as to MY standards, meaning if I fall into a damn gator hole I don't want to have to field strip my weapon. I want my weapons to fire no matter what quality of ammo it gets fed because someday you may not be able to pick and choose your ammo. I don't have to worry with an AK. An AR...well, lets just say I'm going to wonder if it's going to work or not. Don't take my word for it, go register for the Warrior Talk forums or spend some time on the Tactical Response forums and talk to people that shoot more in 1 year than I have shot in the past 5. Ask the guys at Red Jacket what's underneath their beds. They trust the AK and the Glock. Why? Because it works and it works every time.
reply posted on 11-12-2012 @ 07:20 PM by Kodred95
reply to post by anton74
This has actually been done since the late 80s. Its just been used by the South Koreans. We would never adopt a rifle with anything that has to do with AK technology. Anyway, the assault rifle is the Daewoo K2. I have been saying this might be one of the best rifles out there. Happy to see the concept coming up in the states
www.militaryfactory.com...
This has actually been done since the late 80s. Its just been used by the South Koreans. We would never adopt a rifle with anything that has to do with AK technology. Anyway, the assault rifle is the Daewoo K2. I have been saying this might be one of the best rifles out there. Happy to see the concept coming up in the states
www.militaryfactory.com...
reply posted on 11-12-2012 @ 09:05 PM by METACOMET
reply to post by Kodred95
That looks almost exactly like the StG 44 Sturmgewehr, but with a rail. I understand that almost all modern assault rifles hold a lineage from the StG, but the daewoo looks like a carbon copy!
That looks almost exactly like the StG 44 Sturmgewehr, but with a rail. I understand that almost all modern assault rifles hold a lineage from the StG, but the daewoo looks like a carbon copy!
reply posted on 15-1-2013 @ 09:48 AM by slugger9787
reply to post by projectvxn
the difference in recoil is due to the internal ballistics of moving a
5.56 mm (.222) round down the barrel as opposed to moving a
7.62 mm (.308) round down the barrel.
The 5.56 mm round is in the neighborhood of 50-65 grains and the
7.62 round is roughly 150-180 grains.
Study the laws of physics before you comment on internal ballistics, external ballistics and terminal ballistics. PLEASE!
the difference in recoil is due to the internal ballistics of moving a
5.56 mm (.222) round down the barrel as opposed to moving a
7.62 mm (.308) round down the barrel.
The 5.56 mm round is in the neighborhood of 50-65 grains and the
7.62 round is roughly 150-180 grains.
Study the laws of physics before you comment on internal ballistics, external ballistics and terminal ballistics. PLEASE!
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