Is Evolution a Religion?, page 1


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reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 11:45 AM by windword
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It has many of the main stays of a religion...
conflicting data
zealot like advocacy
disdain for those who don't follow their beliefs
self righteous attitude
disdain for contradictory material from religious sources


Wow! For a religious poster, you don't have a very high regard for religion, by your description.

I observe in wonder when troll threads like this go up, and gain tons of stars and flags, and ramble on about the ignorance of both sides for pages and pages.





reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 11:50 AM by winterkill
Originally posted by windword
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post by winterkill





It has many of the main stays of a religion...
conflicting data
zealot like advocacy
disdain for those who don't follow their beliefs
self righteous attitude
disdain for contradictory material from religious sources


Wow! For a religious poster, you don't have a very high regard for religion, by your description.

I observe in wonder when troll threads like this go up, and gain tons of stars and flags, and ramble on about the ignorance of both sides for pages and pages.








I'm actually a very religious poster, but I add, one that follows that logic will follow the voice of God.
To follow the voice of a man, to trust that his translation is correct is folly.
I see the same tendencies exhibited by both sides of this argument of God no God and became curious what the difference was.

Belief to the exclusion of all data, is foolhardy and violent in its end.

There is data for both, but few stop to hear it.

Hence my question...is it simply the mirror of organized religion.


reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 11:53 AM by windword
reply to post by winterkill





I'm actually a very religious poster, but I add, one that follows that logic will follow the voice of God. To follow the voice of a man, to trust that his translation is correct is folly. I see the same tendencies exhibited by both sides of this argument of God no God and became curious what the difference was. Belief to the exclusion of all data, is foolhardy and violent in its end. There is data for both, but few stop to hear it. Hence my question...is it simply the mirror of organized religion.


Evolution never makes the statement that that God doesn't or does exist. Evolution does not ponder the genesis of "life." Evolution does, however, contradict the story of the biblical "Genesis."





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reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 11:56 AM by winterkill
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The question was, what is the difference between the exhibited characteristics of both sides?
One is called religion. The other should also then, should it not?
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reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 12:14 PM by windword
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Maybe we should debate if physics is a religion too! After all, look how many different sects there are!

Types of Physics

Particle Physics
Astrophysics
Theoretical Physics
Experimental/Applied Physics
Mechanical Physics
Quantum Physics (Quantum Mechanics)
Bio Physics

But they're all based in that earlier religion, mathematics, with even more sects!

Addition, subtraction, division,
Algebra, Geometry, trig and calculus.........

Standard Notation in Mathematics
Finite Mathematics
Mode in Mathematics
Discrete Mathematics

Yep, definitely religions!



reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 01:33 PM by Glass
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You'll be waiting for more than one lifetime. It takes millions of years of small, incremental changes. In theory your fish could, over the course of many generations, eventually develop legs and turn into its closest neighbour, the amphibian.

That is, if growing legs was a benefit to the survival of the fish, as we know that evolution is guided by natural selection.
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reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 02:01 PM by Glass
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You're making the mistake of seeing science and religion as two opposing approaches to reality, when they can actually exist side by side.

Science is the logical, "left-brained" approach in which reality is systematically examined.

Religion is the opposite; creative and intuitive "right-brained" approach.

Science tells us more about how reality works, and is willing to question itself when it seems reasonable to do so. Science starts with understanding what we can observe and expands outward from there, discovering things which cannot be directly observed (a great example of this would be radio waves)

Religion, on the other hand, does not tell us about how reality works, but attempts to answer the questions of why reality exists, and what caused it. Religion infers from the idea that a "creation" exists, then there must be a creator. Rather than expanding knowledge from a known origin, like Science does, Religion moves in an erratic manner: from that which is before our eyes, then straight out the limits of reality to make assumptions about that which we do not know, then making further assumptions based on that initial assumption, then making laws and imposing their assumptions on other people.

Religion doesn't take it well when its assumptions are shown to be wrong by Science, as this undermines their laws which are based on these assumptions. Thus, Religion has set itself as an adversary to Science.

Science is progressive. Religion is stagnant, obstructive, even regressive.

There are new brands of Spirituality emerging which do not set themselves against Science, but rather expand off of it to create a different model of the universe beyond science's understanding. These forms of Spirituality are less interested in making laws to control people, and more interested in understanding what reality is all about.

The important thing to understand is that things which are based on the creative, intuitive mind should not be considered unchanging, immutable facts, and furthermore, should not stand in the way of unchanging, immutable facts.
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reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 03:11 PM by domasio
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Seriously?

I think people like you are evidence that free speech should only he a right for some people ... People that use their brain, instead of relying on others'.



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reply posted on 8-12-2012 @ 03:19 PM by Evil_Santa
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Waiting never got anyone anywhere, you should try looking instead.

www.mnn.com... rs/wilderness-resources/stories/newly-evolved-finch-appears-on-the-galapagos-islands

news.bbc.co.uk...

www.nsf.gov...

And the best link of them all...

lmgtfy.com...


You see, if you wait your whole life to explore the world, then you're only going to explore the area directly around you. Seeking information doesn't hurt.


Now to the OPs question. Evolution is no more a religion then breathing air is, because both are founded on the ideal of observable data. Religion, on the other hand, has no absolute proof that God exists, because if God proved he exists, then he wouldn't need people to have faith.
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