Would You Be Willing To Leave It All Behind And Go Back To Basics?

Originally posted by chagahunter
reply to post by studio500

 

This is also one of my passions, along with foraging for wild edible plants , natural springs.I would love to
live like this, not sure how it would all work out with other personalities. I live in Northern Canada, it s -26
and did a 2 hour hike 0n snowshoes today. New experience walking on snowshoes. Didn t get too far .

Next is camping overnight in a tent. That got cancelled a couple
weeks ago . I m doing this to test and challenge myself an d my survival gear. I think this situation would work best
with people who have tried doing it themselves and know their strong and weak areas. Ego is a hard thing to
get rid of tho. I find that the cleaner my diet becomes the more time I want to spend outside in nature and I become
less interested in consumerism. Maybe that s the key.....?

Sounds like a beautiful place apart from the cold...Brrrrrrrr

I have a lot of respect for preppers as in todays world who knows what may happen from one day to the next. I honestly think that there is good reason for us to be prepared and to research our environment and how to live and survive should a major event ever occur. The planet is a fragile place and should any number of disasters be they man made or natural events ever occur one can gain a massive advantage by understanding survival.

Consider the CMEs I mentioned, now i'm no expert but if a truly massive CME was launched toward earth, who knows how we could live other than by natural survival methods.
I know one thing for sure, I wouldn't stick around populated areas as I believe it would be far too dangerous as the dog eat dog mentality would take over.
I would rather take my chances in the wild hopefully amongst like-minded individuals.

Originally posted by DocHolidaze
reply to post by studio500

 

A place where alcohol and drugs are but a distant memory.

if were living off the land, alcohol could easily be made and would serve medical purposes, and one of the best homeopathic remedies, sadly, is considered an illegal drug in most places today. so banning drugs and alcohol in your new world would only hurt us, not help. but otherwise i would love to get back to basics it beats doing a job you hate for some paper and have that paper taken from you for things you dont even want or need.

You hit the nail on the head there Doc. The exclusion of alcohol for drinking at least was due to the problems that it can bring due to increased chances of violence. I'm sure alcohol based products would still be required for medicinal purposes as you say. The idea is to keep violence to an absolute minimum or even to eradicate it altogether. This would probably not be achievable to those alive today but the hope would be that we could raise our future generations in way that violence would not be a term or behavior they are familiar with. Perhaps this is just another sad dream though.

I understand the work treadmill of watching your life pass you by just to pay the bills. For me that is one of the hardest parts of modern life. Man was never meant to live this way, life is for living and experiencing and not one of repetition for reward. In a way it makes us no better than a conditioned animal performing tricks for rewards handed down by an owner or master.
It's not a life I relish but I understand it's a necessity for so many to just survive in todays world of the have and have nots. I'm a have not btw

reply to post by studio500

Why would I have to do this? There is no reason our lifestyles need to suffer in order to fix the crashed economic system. We just need to change the paradigm in which we operate. How much can we produce if everyone did their part? How much would that allow each person to have if such production was distributed fairly equally? I would bet that we could all live upper class equivalent lifestyles if we actually put our minds to it properly with less time working than is the current standard. The folks that contribute the most to society will get the most, instead of having those that can exploit the most getting the most which is the current paradigm.

Who would ever want to be reset to the primitive days. NO!

Advanced level 1 or 2 civilization, advanced hi sci extremely clean technology with great leaps in technology and caretaking the planet, both nature in abundance and hi technology.

World wide services, health, dental, cosmic level educations.

Equality, but privacy and sovereignity. Not Beehive.

Yes I do believe in eco farms and lots of abundant energy produced, heritage foods, and abundance for all. But an eco farm to me is many acres with shared businesses and farming, and private properties, 1/3 to 1/2 acre private portions with nice big houses, made of alternative things.

ABUNDANCE AND HIGH TECH!

www.abovetopsecret.com...
The World I want to See

I'd rather move forward than backwards.
Most of the problems that we face today are a result of power hungry people and those same people would exist if we had to live primitively.
Like someone else said, what is needed is a paradigm shift in the way we live. I prefer one that is forward looking and increases mans basic standard of living. A golden age as opposed to the rock ages.

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I have to say I've never felt better. Im really got sick of the daily grind. so when I lost most everything I rolled with it.

Never realized just how happy you could be with "nothing".

I recently moved to Idaho, and although I still use my laptop, television, xbox and cd player I sleep on an air mattress and sit on the floor. I have one bookshelf of books / video games and some clothes. I also have an end table and a few paintings.

I live with two of my good friends, one who owns the house, and we run the place like a collective - we are all equal (between my friend and I's rent we pay off the owner's monthly mortgage payment) - and work together.

It is really cool. The minimalism approach is really appealing. and super-cheap. I don't see the reason to do it any other way.

There are those that choose survivalism and then there are those that have survivalism thrust upon them. Stay tuned.

I'm sorry but "the good old life" was menial, boring and full of drudgery. If you like working sun up to sun down and falling asleep exhausted that's the life for you. After a few years you would catch up on stuff and be able to live easier once you had infrastructure in place. As for medical issues, dieing of simple infections or at child birth doesn't sound grand to me. I think we idealize whatever we don't have. It may sound better when things were simple but the reality is often harsh. Pulling those damn wisdom teeth will be a bitch.

You may want to reconsider some things and have some "medicine" for instance. A chainsaw and working saw mill would be good. Maybe you can get a chainsaw to work on alchohol and have your own still. Your going to need a lot of start up cash to live decently. Who's going to make the glass windows? Maybe you could live in yurts. I know a guy who lived in a yurt for several years. Lived with no electricity. He smelled really bad.

I just hope your new commune is full of young healthy people. That would give you the best chance.

V

Originally posted by studio500
Would you be willing to leave everything appertaining to your modern life behind?

Would you be prepared to live in a community as a collective where everyone is equal and everyone is prepared to work for the benefit of the community as a whole without pay or financial reward?

So many thoughts.......

This is the usual redneck porn if you ask me. Flee the city jungle. Hide in a low-tech cabin in the woods packed to the hilt with a yokels favourite carbine AR-15., thousands of rounds of ammo, countless packs of survival food. Waiting for the second american redneck revolution that never comes.

I imagine you have many such nightly wet dreams. Why do you think modern civilized humans would ever share them?

It would be great to live in a world like that. But it would be a VERY ROUGH transition... Many people dont want to imagine a world without Wal-Mart, Toco Bell, and god forbid they lose there Xbox! Me on the other hand I thing it would be a better world. But its a world that is the farthest from the world we have now... But when it all goes down. Im ready!!!

Ive been doing all I can to adopt an agrarian life.

Trouble is with taxes on property, regulations forcing utility hookups and the time costs with earning a regular wage to pay for all the mandated expenses such as the earlier mentioned taxes on property it's proving very difficult. To an extent it is impossible.

The grid of society traps you with taxes and regulations.

The only real options now are basically illegal and will eventually result in your death or imprisonment.

A great part of the Amish difficulties is in paying taxes. To make ends meet they often resort to shady and harmful practices such as "puppy mills" or are forced to work against their own beliefs. Forced taxation on an agrarian society at industrialized levels is encouraging unethical and immoral behavior.

Taxes, especially property taxes, make any lifestyle but this modern broken one exceptionally difficult if not impossible.

since irene and the halloween storm and sandy, I have been without power for 19 days in 16 months

I didn't miss TV, the computer or even lights

but boy did I miss manipulating the temperatures of things

keeping cold things cold and heating things up is the best part of the modern world

you could heat things with wood fires, but you can't refridgerate things in summer without power

so no, give me my hot water heater and fridge thank you very much

Yes, I would, I have to a certain extent when I was young.

Now at my age I doubt I would do this on purpose, but if I was young again I would in a heartbeat, I have been preaching for years for people to get off the grid.

No. I like central heating and the fact i can go to a hospital for treatment if i get ill or a properly equipped dentist if I get a bad tooth.

Nothing against people who choose to live that way. Just not something i'm interested in.

The social aspects of the post are also unrealistic. Human beings cannot live as total equals. We always form hierarchies, based on physical strength and /or charisma, its the way we are made. Its a primate thing.

I already did....

I already did....

I left everything behind,but broke down and bought a wifi laptop....

Only to check see what all of the idiots in the world were jabbering about online....

Same old crap.

Nothing is everything,I reduce my options by participating in this discussion....

I delete myself,disregard,I really am not here.

Bye.

No way am I going to leave it all behind. I like my toilet and toilet paper. I could build an outhouse I suppose as long as it had a toilet seat. If the SHTF, we don't have to turn into cave men. We can live in a small, easy to heat, home in the woods. Deforesting the area to heat a big house is not wise, heating one or two rooms in that big house is wise instead of the whole thing. Why would anyone give up everything and live in the woods? Work as a community and things will be alright. Kick out deceivers in the community, work as a team. By all means do not let the wrong people run your community in this case, conservation is the key. People who want to waste resources on unneeded things have to be taught that it is not acceptable.

This has always been a personal long term goal for me and my life.
I want to find a way to live off the grid with no need for electricity or money.
It would, unfortunately take a small investment with actual money to get started but I believe it can be done.
Obviously you can't buy some land and make this happen.
One, they will know who owns the land and figure out where you have gone off to eventually.
Two, property taxes will be due every year on your land and that requires money and exposure.

I plan on building my hidden world one day deep inside a National Forest.
No taxes, no address, no ideas where I would be.
One could truly be off the grid.
Of course you would have to well hidden and nestled in an "inaccessible" area for this to go unnoticed forever.
You would also need to be ready to defend yourself against "anything" and everything.

Most of us are"half-way" through this expensive life we are living.
I really don't care if it's a selfish idea to do this or not. Do I want to spend the next 40-50 years I have left paying taxes and trying to change this corrupt world we live in? For what?
I'd personally rather drop out and talk to the animals and the trees for the rest of my time on this planet.