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The concept that Palestinians should just relocate to Jordan is a bit ridiculous, do you really think that would quell all resentment?
These same European powers that drew up the whole region are the one's that forced in Israel.
You are lacking in sympathy for the Arabs in the entire situation
And, Israel has definite elements of theocracy. It is hardly a democracy with millions of Arabs being excluded from governance.
Jewish Daily Forward
It is becoming increasingly obvious that a break between Israel and Diaspora Jewry, particularly its American variety, is fast approaching. The reason for this is that Israel is slowly but inexorably turning into a conservative theocracy while the Diaspora is largely dedicated to liberal democracy.
The storm over remarks made by Justice Minister Yaakov Neeman is in many respects a tempest in a teapot, which has for a long time taken on holier aspects than it seems. Neeman wants Torah law, or in other words, he wants Israel to be a country governed by Jewish religious law, halakha. In any event, Israel is already a semi-theocracy.
By that logic it would have probably been easier for 800,000 Jewish people to be absorbed by the Jewish community in America, without starting a 60 year war.
The land is holy is Muslims as well
Jewish people don't really have exclusive rights to it
just like Muslims, but smaller. And most of it was not in Israel.
Jews didn't create the state of Israel on their own, they had a whole lot of support from the Allies.
Education in Israel
High schools in Israel prepare students for the Israeli matriculation exams (bagrut). These are exams covering various academic disciplines, which are studied in units (yehidot limud) of one to five on an ascending scale of difficulty. Students with a passing mark on the mandatory matriculation subjects (Hebrew language, English language, mathematics, scripture, history, state studies and literature),
It's actually quite the opposite.
In 1930 and 1936 the World Zionist Organization vigorously opposed British proposals for a legislature, fearing that, if the Palestinians received the majority status that proportional representation would require, then they would try to block Jewish immigration and the purchase of land by Zionist companies. Zionist opposition was couched indirectly in the assertion that Palestine was not ripe for self-rule, a code for not until there's a Jewish majority.
To bolster this position, the yishuv formed defense forces (Haganah) in March 1920. They were preceded by the establishment of guards (hashomer) in Jewish rural settlements in the 1900s and the formation of a Jewish Legion in World War I. However, the British disbanded the Jewish Legion and allowed only sealed armories in the settlements and mixed Jewish-British area defense committees.
Despite its illegal status, the Haganah expanded to number 10,000 trained and mobilized men, and 40,000 reservists by 1936. During the 1937-38 Arab revolt, the Haganah engaged in active defense against Arab insurgents and cooperated with the British to guard railway lines, the oil pipeline to Haifa, and border fences.
This cooperation deepened during World War II, when 18,800 Jewish volunteers joined the British forces. Haganah's special Palmach units served as scouts and sappers for the British army in Lebanon in 1941-42. This wartime experience helped to transform the Haganah into a regular fighting force.
When Ben-Gurion became the World Zionist Organization's secretary of defense in June 1947, he accelerated mobilization as well as arms buying in the United States and Europe. As a result, mobilization leaped to 30,000 by May 1948, when statehood was proclaimed, and then doubled to 60,000 by mid-July-twice the number serving in the Arab forces arrayed against Israel.
"Perhaps the most important [of the Arab armies problems] was a crippled shortage of ammunition, owing to the international arms embargo ..., in the case of the Iraqis and Egyptians, long lines of communications. For example, after February 25, 1948, the Arab Legion received no new ammunition for its 20mm guns.
Some of the ammunition used by the Iraqi artillery was more than thirty years old; the Syrians had no ammunition for their heavy 155mm guns. Whereas Jewish stockpiles were growing all the times [especially the big arms shipment from Czechoslovakia in May 1948], the enemies were so depleted they stole ammunition shipments for each other. In addition, they were ill-coordinated, technically incompetent, slow, ponderous, badly led, and unable to cope with night operations that willy-nilly, constituted the IDF's expertise."
The Sword and the Olive
"Maklef [Carmeli brigade] should receive reinforcements. His job is to occupy South Lebanon after bombing Tyre, Sidon and Beirut from the air. We will also shell Beirut from the sea. Yigal [Alon] should hit Syria [Syrian army] at [Mishmar Haemek] from the East and the North.
Our airforce must bomb and destroy Amman. The weak link in the Arab coalition is Lebanon because Muslim authority there is artificial, and easy to undermine. We must establish a Christian state with the Litani River as its southern border (5). We will form an alliance with it.
Once we destroy the power of the Arab Legion [the army of Trans-Jordan] we will destroy Tran-Jordan and Syria will then fall. If Egypt dares to continue fighting, we will bomb Port Said, Alexandria and Cairo. This is how we shall end this war and wind up our ancestors’ accounts with Egypt, Ashur and Aram…. " David Ben-Gurion - War Diary
"This popular-heroic-moralistic version of the 1948 war has been used extensively in Israeli propaganda and is still taught in Israeli schools. It is a prime example of the use of a nationalistic version of history in the process of nation building. In a very real sense history is the propaganda of the victors, and the history of the 1948 war is no exception."
The Iron Wall - Avi Shlaim
It's a de facto theocracy
If Israel is a de-facto theocracy, then, by your standards (which are no standards, no one would respect your claim), so is America, so is Italy, so is the Philipines, and a plethora of other countries which give precedence to one religion over another.
In my Catholic high school, I used to go to mass. Is Canada theocratic because of that? No. Of course not! Canadian education is, thank God, not socialized. If you're religious, you send your kids to religious schools, if you're secular, you send your kids to public schools. Hence, Israel, has a two tier school system: one for the secularist (Israel's state controlled media, for a so-called "Theocratic country" is surprisingly extremely liberal) and another for the religious.
And by the way, study of scripture is anthropological, not religious. You should really try to read up. Or, give it up. Stop trying to defend a claim that has no factual basis.
So, as far as male lineage goes, the genetic story is very clear. Palestinians and Jews are virtually indistinguishable.
The Palestinians didn't have to suffer.
Since they were part and parcel to a larger Arab cultural identity, they could have been relocated (just as Pakistan/India did) to Jordan...which was established for them in the first place.
What makes a nation a nation? What differentiates, say, Portugal from Spain? Well, for one, the Portuguese speak a different language: Portuguese, while the Spaniards speak Spanish. This difference warrants a national differentiation. Throughout Europe we see this difference from state to state, from the swiss near the Alps to the Germans, the Dutch, the Swedes, Norwegians, Lithuanians and Latvians, Poles and Ukranians: there are actual linguistic and historical differences here warranting national distinction.
Originally posted by RizeorDie
I understand your point, but the Arabs are very diverse and different groups, they also had different EMPIRES and they hardly spoke the same language up until Islam arrived, in fact they are only called Arabs because they share/speak the same language, Arabic. Had the Turks(Turkey) or Persians(Iran) or Afghans(Afghanistan) also inherited Arabic they would be refereed to as Arabs, even though they are NOT Arabs.
Iraqis, Syrians, and Lebanese are very light skinned compared to the true Arabs which came from Arabia,.
True Arabs are Yemenites from Yemen and Hejaz (Arabia)
UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, Southern Saudi and Oman have a mixture of Arabs, Persians, and Indians way before Islam came to be, yet they all became known as Arabs!
Jordanians and Palestinians are a mixture of Arabs, Syrians and Berber
Egyptians and Libyans are a mixture of Arabs and Berber, while Algerians and Moroccans are Berbers
Sudan and Somalia are African, very dark skin, they had their own history, to claim Sudan and Lebanon as the same thing is like saying France and Finland are the same entity regardless of their separate histories
If you compare a Yemenite to a Qatari person, you would notice a huge difference even though they are considered Arabs. And if you compare a Yemenite to a Syrian, you will notice an even bigger difference.
Originally posted by ShotGunRum
reply to post by dontreally
Can you answer this question?
Would you willingly give up your house because I said my family used to own it? No, you wouldn't.