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Originally posted by elysiumfire
AussieDingus:
...that the majority knew nothing of this event until after the suicide. Yes there may of ('have' not 'of') been a small trickle of information, but it was nowhere near the coverage it recieved after the suicide.
It would seem to me you are adopting a somewhat defensive posture for all Australians against the global bad press the 2 DJs and the radio station seem to have brought upon themselves, and by relation, Australians in general. If this is so, then it is an ill-conceived posture from which you are writing. No one condemns a whole nation because of the childish antics of a few of it's citizens, but from what you write, it is obvious you are perceiving a 'taint' against your nationality, when in fact there isn't one.
It is almost like you are seeking to 'damage control' perceptions, but are presenting a face of ignorance with what you claim regarding the events. The story broke on Tuesday 4th December, and because of the press pack camped outside the hospital the story went global. It wasn't a 'trickle' as you claim, it was a full global reporting, along with millions of twitter casts and Facebook entries. When you factor in the radio show's own broadcast (raising questions of illegality, and carrying hidden consequences that were not to appear until Friday the 7th), you can understand that the torrent of reporting you claim to be a trickle was in fact a flood! There is no doubt that by Friday afternoon (BST) the flood became a tsunami of both shock and anger at Jacintha's death.
Neither the two DJs, nor 2Day FM should be scapegoated for Jacintha's suicide, they neither wanted nor sought such a thing. Nevertheless, there is no getting away from the fact that their actions most certainly did play the part of a catalyst...that is to say, the most 'public' part, which is why they have received the most criticism and anger.
I believe there to be other 'catalysing' conditions that led Jacintha to take her own life? Conditions that are not as public as the actions of the 2 DJs. I believe Jacintha was put through the grind mill of disciplinary procedures that compounded her feelings and sense of shame, failure, confusion, ridicule, and loneliness. I believe that she took her own life out of a distorted sense of family honour, for her husband and 2 children and her relations abroad (she was Indian). (see my earlier post for why I think this.)
No one killed Jacintha, she killed herself from an inner compunction, the impetus of which was supplied by the actions of the 2 DJs, and the disciplinary procedures she went through, even though it is claimed she and the other nurse were not reprimanded...they damn well were! Both the prank and the disciplinary provided her with the inner resolve to take her own life.
I am not a royalist, preferring that Britain finally throws off the concept of monarchy, but what I will say, is that neither Kate Middleton, nor the royals had anything to do with Jacintha's suicide. Kate Middleton and the royals were simply the fulcrum around which these events happend. The radio station, along with the hospital and its disciplinary agencies are seeking to damage control what has blown up in their faces out of all proportion.
We all know, or at least, each of us can discern that the prank alone was not enough for Jacintha to take her own life. If it were, she'd have been found dead on Wednesday or Thursday morning (BST). No! Something else, something more, had to compound her feelings, and finally drive her to suicide. That something else was the disciplinary procedures that are claimed were not undertook. Bull#! They ragged her silly!edit on 10/12/12 by elysiumfire because: Adjustment
Millions of INNOCENT people have been killed in the "war on terror[oil]", yet no one cares, but as soon a ONE person kills themself based on a prank call, then its a worldwide outrage. Good to see we have our priorities worked out !
Originally posted by elysiumfire
AussieDingus:
Poor excuse's and pass the tissue's. If her bosses were giving her crap, then she had every opportunity to report her bosses for their treatment. Just like any other employee that has their bosses giving them crap. Its called working in the real world.
My word, you really are a most distasteful fellow! I've already replied to you, but I really cannot allow you to denigrate Jacintha's memory and go unanswered, as that would in your mind be a vindication of your twisted thinking. Your sociopathy shines clear and true in your posts. You no more care about other people and their deaths than you do Jacintha's, yet you use them simply because you believe it bolsters your view. There isn't an ounce of sympathy or empathy in any of your posts, and there certainly isn't an ounce of understanding or discernment regarding this tragic event.
Do you know why I call you a sociopath? Read what I quote you from your own post. No reasonable thinking empathic person would write such hateful and innane twaddle. To you the world is black and white. To you there is no grey area, no mitigating circumstances, not the slightest bit of understanding or care as to why things are the way they are.
To whom would Jacintha (let's not forget that you do not use her name once in any of your posts) make a claim of bullying and harrassment...her bosses? It is they whom (I believe) would be present at her disciplinary, along with the higher echelons whom would be carrying out the disciplinary. It is quite obvious that you are incapable of perceiving the gravity of Jacintha's situation, and the powers that are reigned against her. She absolutely has nowhere to turn for support from the higher-ups, only from her colleagues at her level.
I'm done talking to you. Do not feel vindicated if I or anyone else do not respond to further posts from you, You have no particular relevant point to make worthy of discussion.
Originally posted by Merriman Weir
reply to post by AussieDingus
Stop digging: you're missing the point. She didn't kill herself because of the what might or might not have been on the Morning Show, or in the Australian. She'd have been more concerned with the wall-to-wall coverage in Britain.
Originally posted by Anusuia
Im australian..I doubt the Indian woman who was the nurse committed suicide . Thats totally bogus so there is really no point discussing it . As for the two DJs I think they are scared because they too proberly realize they are in danger from the same people who killed the nurse .
The lesson to be learnt here is not to ever work in a hospital that the high ranking royals may enter .
Scotland Yard said officers were called at 09:35 GMT on Friday after reports of a woman found unconscious at an address in Weymouth Street, central London. She was pronounced dead at the scene.
www.bbc.co.uk...
Originally posted by Anusuia
Im australian..I doubt the Indian woman who was the nurse committed suicide . Thats totally bogus so there is really no point discussing it . As for the two DJs I think they are scared because they too proberly realize they are in danger from the same people who killed the nurse .
The lesson to be learnt here is not to ever work in a hospital that the high ranking royals may enter .
Originally posted by Xaphan
reply to post by Flavian
These days? What do you mean 'these days'?
This has been going on since the site was first established