Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Begs the question, why the constant obsession over the US? Why are people from so many other countries, quite a few are far more liberal with gun laws
than the US is, constantly pushing the US to enact bans?
In a country with gun rights clearly spelled out on the federal level and in many states constitutions with such an allegedly strong and enduring gun
culture why are gun laws in the US so puritanly conservative by comparison?
First, there is no constant obsession. There is disbelief and a certain derision. A majority of the rest is overhyped drama about perceived outrage
from nasty foreigners primarily in your own media. We´d like you to stop Virginia-Teching and Gabby-Giffording each other so regularly, not take away
your guns per se.
The fundamental difference between most other developed nations and the US is not the acceptance of personal firearms in general, but the way to
approach it. The USA is one of the only places where firearms ownership is (arguably) laid down as a personal right. Most other nations treat it as a
privilege - more or less easily acquired. Once acquired, this privilege of firearm ownership is more lenient in many nations than in a lot of US
As most nations dont see personal firearm ownership as a natural right, it is treated with the same view as other endeavours that require permits,
licenses, prerequisites or "chitties". Drivers license, business permits, education prerequisities for certain jobs and activities etc. are privileges
as well; and most nations seamlessly add personal firearm licenses to that list without discriminating against it in a special way. In fact, the three
things I named are more important to pursue happines and personal liberty than something as mundane as owning guns. There are millions and millions
of legal guns in private hands of Europe
; its just not something that everyone wishes for themselves or even minds.
In short, what you have is not opposition against guns. What you have is the inability to grasp the life-or-death importance many Americans put into
owning lead delivery systems. This is also because the popular US sentiment of forever being threatened is not commonly accepted in developed
countries. Add to that much lower violent crime stats, a general trust in the democratic system and better social security systems, and the importance
of being able to "stand your ground" is even lowered. We can argue who´s the wiser here, but thats just the common denominator of it all.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
You know what surprised me the most on that was reading the European nations as a whole. Some are so restricted, a BB gun is almost a felony to read
it. While others? Wow... I wonder how that works when the borders are so close and relatively open? How does one nation have fairly open licensing and
home possession laws when a neighbor all but bans them? I'm just thinking here of how it works for neighboring U.S. states with very different laws.
The restrictive of the two always seems to give plenty of business to the one which isn't?
You have open borders in most of Europe, yes, but not a common jurisdiction (at least not on this very personal level). Maybe you are confusing the
federal STATES´ system of the USA to the federated NATIONS´ system in Europe. You cant just walk into a neighbouring, lenient nation and purchase
guns as a foreigner; just like foreigners cant simply buy one in the US. (as everywhere, this does not apply to criminal weapon trafficking of
The second difference is the cultural difference I lined out above; many people have weapons, but they have them for a purpose; be that hunting,
collecting, tradition or sports shooting (or mere showing off). In Germany for example, membership numbers in gun-related clubs and organizations are
second or third behind car clubs and football clubs (on that german note, the Nazis did actually ease up gun laws, contrary to a popular myth).
But the guns are not part of the everyday life of even THESE weapon-owning people. The rationale of concealed carrying for example is very different
to that "work-like" relationship to tools of shooting. Which just means that very few people actually care about who has acquired which gun where for
I´m not saying people ignore the personal safety aspect inherent to guns; its just that its not very prominent.
edit on 10/12/2012 by
Lonestar24 because: Typos